Baseline, it doesn't happen overnight, but once it does, they become extra sensitive and 5mg of anything causes it to come back.
Also longer esters in my experience actually cause less sides for women.
I really dont feel like explaining the Science right now, but I bet you this :
Give a woman 4-5 test Suspension ED vs.
Give a woman 30 test E in a week
Wait and see who experiences virilization
The 'peak spike' of suspension or prop will cause the androgen ceiling to be hit at a higher level and thus cause virilization to occur more than it would at long ester. Most people dont know this and still dont believe me when I tell them. To each their own
You are right baseline, test Suspension is too extreme and make it apple and oranges.
How about we use test prop vs cyp though?
I still have found, in practice, that 30 Test E/C a week will cause less virilization than 4prop ED because the prop seems to hit the androgen threshold harder due to the spike.
I know it's ridiculous because these numbers are so low, but idk what to say? This is literally what I have found to be true.
The best protocol I have found is something along the lines of :
10 Test E SQ 3x/week for 6weeks or so, then immediately back off.
Tbol seems to be next safest best IMO.
What Is your response to my Proposition about Prop vs E. Lol no pun intended
Interesting thread...my wife just read Baselines post and stole my stash
I don't like this guy, but most of what he's saying here is true unfortunately
[lang=vi]Awesome thanks man, do you find tbol helped fat loss also as much as var?[/lang]I have found, from the girls I had on both, better strength and lean gains from turinabol than with anavar. There are no sides with either assuming 10mg use per day. Turinabol has less androgens which makes it my choice of preference for women.
*** make sure you trust your source!!! Lots of var is actually winstrol in disguise. Turinabol may be dbol in disguise if from a shady source.