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LIVER IS FUCKED

Ive seen alot of bloodwork in my time...alot...helped alot of guys.
You are not the worst.....this is an actual snapshot out of a folder of mine of someone I offered advice to.
Why does it feel like you've given me shit before about some of my health posts on this board? Am i wrong with that? If I am right with that....it takes a potentially disastrous event to do the wakeup call.....and my posts meant nothing? If i am wrong I apoligize but my memory says Ive caught some crap from you in the past.
 

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Ive seen alot of bloodwork in my time...alot...helped alot of guys.

You are not the worst.....this is an actual snapshot out of a folder of mine of someone I offered advice to.

Why does it feel like you've given me shit before about some of my health posts on this board? Am i wrong with that? If I am right with that....it takes a potentially disastrous event to do the wakeup call.....and my posts meant nothing? If i am wrong I apoligize but my memory says Ive caught some crap from you in the past.



To be quite honest I would say im 98 percent positive I have never commented negatively anything health related I usually steer clear of stuff like that and if I have any advice I give my own experiences I think you have me mistaken for someone else With that said I'm happy that I'm not "dying" yet. And would be willing to take any and all advice.

I can always admit fault when I am wrong but it's out of my character to really start a problem Esp Heath related


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Any idea what the numbers were. I have heard 100 being sky high. Not 300 lol


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No, I have no idea what numbers were. Sorry.
 
To be quite honest I would say im 98 percent positive I have never commented negatively anything health related I usually steer clear of stuff like that and if I have any advice I give my own experiences I think you have me mistaken for someone else With that said I'm happy that I'm not "dying" yet. And would be willing to take any and all advice.

I can always admit fault when I am wrong but it's out of my character to really start a problem Esp Heath related


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So, there's a 2% chance you was a dick about health and well-being towards Dante. :D j/k

As for your blood work. Your primary care provider is your best resource right now.
 
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To be quite honest I would say im 98 percent positive I have never commented negatively anything health related I usually steer clear of stuff like that and if I have any advice I give my own experiences I think you have me mistaken for someone else With that said I'm happy that I'm not "dying" yet. And would be willing to take any and all advice.

I can always admit fault when I am wrong but it's out of my character to really start a problem Esp Heath related


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my apologies then....must have you confused with someone else
 
I wont say not to take those bloods serious...
How ever you should know yr body and what the blood work says while on so ya know what to xpect.....
a rule of thumb will say 4 times over normal to look out and start to panic 6 times over normal...
I will post these bloods not to say not to worry but just to show , some major panic I had just like you are going through when you seen yr high AST/ALT....
Now days mine are about like yrs most the cycle through on less than your posted doses....
It takes me about 3 weeks to get back to normal levels coming off short esters... which is half the time it use to b with out my supps....

AGain I am not sayin not to take those number seriously...


Peace

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I wont say not to take those bloods serious...

How ever you should know yr body and what the blood work says while on so ya know what to xpect.....

a rule of thumb will say 4 times over normal to look out and start to panic 6 times over normal...

I will post these bloods not to say not to worry but just to show , some major panic I had just like you are going through when you seen yr high AST/ALT....

Now days mine are about like yrs most the cycle through on less than your posted doses....

It takes me about 3 weeks to get back to normal levels coming off short esters... which is half the time it use to b with out my supps....



AGain I am not sayin not to take those number seriously...





Peace



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Thanks a lot bro. Would you mind sharing your supp stack ? I would greatly appreciate it


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Not sure people are grasping what elevated liver enzymes really mean and what liver regeneration is.

1. If you put your hand on a flame and it catches fire and you see smoke ( elevated liver enzymes) and when you take your hand away and the smoke clears ( enzymes go down) and you look at your hand is it perfectly fine? Will it recover completely? Well that depends on how hot the flames were and how long your hand was in it.

People seem to think that once enzmyes go down your ok...that just means the stressor is gone or your liver is all fucked up and endstage... most of us dont get to the latter as thats seen in like hep c and alcholics etc.

Also wtf is up with this whole liver regeneration BS. Dont bother quoting some wiki article or whatever.. they are wrong. I work at one of the biggest transplant hospitals in the US and sit in on multi D rounds monthly were pathology shows us "regenerated" liver slides. Its all disorganized architecure and doesnt really function well. Sure it has hepatocytes but thats like me throwing lumber in a pile and calling it a house...


Bro dont be retarded. No more orals or Tren. Yes you read that correctly..clearly you must know what tren can do you ones liver. Get blood work regularly and be healthy. You should be fine from this and consider it a learning experience but next time look at some bodybuilders with HCCs... maybe you missed the thread from one of our friends on here who died recently from that.
 
My enzyme levels were all much higher then that when I quit drinking. They were around 10x the top of normal. That was over 25 years ago. Now there is one that is slightly over the top, but I can some times get it in the normal range if I quit training and eating very much protien. Once you kill off a part of your liver it really isn't going to come back.
 
Great advice GotGame.

It's all common sense really but I would have you doing...

No orals or strong aas such as tren.
TRT for the foreseeable future.
No alcohol or painkillers or anything liver toxic.
Drink lots of water... including warm lemon water.
Synthergine at 4-5ml per day.
Clean balanced diet full of fruits and vegetables (lots of anti-oxidants).
 
OP Wut were ur albumin levels? That is the true determinant of liver function. Basically whether it's super fucked or ok. High Ast/alt are obvs indicators of some pathology but albumin is an indicator of function


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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you want the GGT value as a steroid user. ALT/AST is affected by training too.

Clin J Sport Med. 1999 Jan;9(1):34-9. Related Articles, Links


Anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity: is it overstated?

Dickerman RD, Pertusi RM, Zachariah NY, Dufour DR, McConathy WJ.

The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.

OBJECTIVE: There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite bodybuilders. DESIGN: This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with hepatitis. PARTICIPANTS: The participants were bodybuilders taking self-directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The focus in blood chemistry profiles was aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels. RESULTS: In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast, patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT, AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT. CONCLUSION: Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.
 
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Strict keto, no alcohol No aas. No gh

With an already stressed liver, NOT a good idea to be on a high lipid diet, especially if none of the foods you eat bring phospatidylcholine to emulsify those fats.

As Elvia suggested, a more balanced diet with plenty of antioxidant rich vegetables/fruits is a better idea IMO. :)
 
taking too much oral gears harmed liver severely, necessary to do pct and tak e N2Guard to protact your liver
 
OP Wut were ur albumin levels? That is the true determinant of liver function. Basically whether it's super fucked or ok. High Ast/alt are obvs indicators of some pathology but albumin is an indicator of function


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3.9

And the ratio to globulin was 1.2

Both in normal range


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Thanks a lot bro. Would you mind sharing your supp stack ? I would greatly appreciate it


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Mine is as follows and changes time to time,
Key I think is NAC, and Turmeric, also Liv52, essentiale Forte, these are cheap. tudca i will do also sometimes..There is also a big name one here that i have tried and didnt think was worth the hype it gets..


Peace.
 
I am completely off right now was just starting hcg and going to do a few weeks of clomid

I am scared shitless to put anything in my body right now until I see the specialist

Obviously docs aren't well versed in aas but still I don't know anyone with levels that high



I've had liver enzymes higher than that and brought them down into the top of normal range within 3 weeks using Tudca (product called Aegis).


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I've had liver enzymes higher than that and brought them down into the top of normal range within 3 weeks using Tudca (product called Aegis).


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Right now I have Olympus labs Tudca I'm going to dose it at 1g per day until I run out then look for the top brand I can find


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