LIVER REPAIR

coolkat · Feb 11, 2007

How long for the liver to recover after some drinking and occ. 17aa use over 6 mo. ???

My AST was 60, ALT 83, and GGT 133 last week of JAN.

I have not had any alcohol since 1-31-07 and no oral 17aa's since Dec. 2006.
I am taking: Liv-52 1 tab 3x/day, Milk Thistle 300mg 3x/day (80% standardized ), Lecithin Granules 2 tablespoons 2x/day, a gallon of water a day, Dandelion root 3x/day, Alpha Lipoic Acid 100mg 3x/day, 1000mg of NAC 2x/day, L-Caritine liquid 1000mg 2x/day, and 10 grams of L-Glutamine every am.

I am also adding 2 servings of oatmeal per day, 2 apples a day, and 1-2 bananas, plus other vits. and supps.

Sound good??? I know a blood test will really tell. Should I wait 2 months ??? 3 months ??? more ???

Anything else effective to take ?

Ashop · Feb 11, 2007

coolkat said:
How long for the liver to recover after some drinking and occ. 17aa use over 6 mo. ???

My AST was 60, ALT 83, and GGT 133 last week of JAN.

I have not had any alcohol since 1-31-07 and no oral 17aa's since Dec. 2006.
I am taking: Liv-52 1 tab 3x/day, Milk Thistle 300mg 3x/day (80% standardized ), Lecithin Granules 2 tablespoons 2x/day, a gallon of water a day, Dandelion root 3x/day, Alpha Lipoic Acid 100mg 3x/day, 1000mg of NAC 2x/day, L-Caritine liquid 1000mg 2x/day, and 10 grams of L-Glutamine every am.

I am also adding 2 servings of oatmeal per day, 2 apples a day, and 1-2 bananas, plus other vits. and supps.

Sound good??? I know a blood test will really tell. Should I wait 2 months ??? 3 months ??? more ???

Anything else effective to take ?

i would switch the liv 52 to Synthergine in this situation.

Dad · Feb 11, 2007

Most of the supplements taken orally are going to be destroyed by first pass metabolism, so won't really help.

The liver has great regenerative powers on its own, but needs time. Yuor doc shuold have told you when they want to re-check your liver function tests, and you shuold be honest with him/her as to why your LFT's are off.

Ask your doc when to re-check LFT's, but my guess would be about three months from this January test. This does not necessarily mean your LFT's will be normal then, just when you'd check them again.

thebrick · Feb 11, 2007

Dad said:
Most of the supplements taken orally are going to be destroyed by first pass metabolism, so won't really help.

The liver has great regenerative powers on its own, but needs time. Yuor doc shuold have told you when they want to re-check your liver function tests, and you shuold be honest with him/her as to why your LFT's are off.

Ask your doc when to re-check LFT's, but my guess would be about three months from this January test. This does not necessarily mean your LFT's will be normal then, just when you'd check them again.

Yes, your doc will want you back in a few months. When you go back, he will be looking for a long-term trend on those levels. If the readings are headed down to normal even if they are not perfect yet that will be good and will please your doctor. Mine was. My advice, pass on the booze and orals.

Harry McNutsack · Feb 11, 2007

Hey guys. I'm not trying to hijack your post, but I had a similar question that I was searching the boards for yesterday. Is there a synergistic (negative) effect from taking orals and drinking 2-3 nights a week? I don't know if I'm wording this right or not. I guess I'm asking if the risk is the same as if you were doing each on their own, or if it multiplies and compounds the negative effects from combining them.

coolkat- It looks like you are already doing this, but keep your fiber intake up. No faster way to rid the toxins that the supplements are ridding your body of.

RSR34 · Feb 11, 2007

Honestly, if you are drinking 2-3 x per week, I would re-evaluate why you are on ANY steroids at all. That's just STUPID. PERIOD. The drinking WILL add to the negative impact of the orals. But more importantly, it tells me that you are probably young and inexperienced and shouldn't be using steroids for bodybuilding to begin with.

I could be wrong, of course.

I don't think many AAS "users" on here drink more than occasionally, if at all. Besides the obvious health issues with the liver, drinking is just plain USELESS for any bodybuilder and will ruin your overall progress. I have a couple of drinks maybe once a month when I'm out with my girl, and even then it's usually a bit of red wine. Sorry so BLATANTLY NEGATIVE in my response, but that's my take.

Harry McNutsack · Feb 11, 2007

RSR34 said:
Honestly, if you are drinking 2-3 x per week, I would re-evaluate why you are on ANY steroids at all. That's just STUPID. PERIOD. The drinking WILL add to the negative impact of the orals. But more importantly, it tells me that you are probably young and inexperienced and shouldn't be using steroids for bodybuilding to begin with. I could be wrong, of course.

I don't think many AAS "users" on here drink more than occasionally, if at all. Besides the obvious health issues with the liver, drinking is just plain USELESS for any bodybuilder and will ruin your overall progress. I have a couple of drinks maybe once a month when I'm out with my girl, and even then it's usually a bit of red wine. Sorry so BLATANTLY NEGATIVE in my response, but that's my take.

RSR34- I agree with you to a certain extent. I should have clarified my situation better in my previous post. I didn't mean getting loaded 3 nights per week, but maybe having a couple glasses of wine or a beer with dinner. I'm 29. My job is fairly stressful sometime, and a glass wine really helps with the nerves after a rough day! Generally speaking, I do agree with you that it is probably irresponsible on any level though.

Putin · Feb 11, 2007

RSR34 said:
Honestly, if you are drinking 2-3 x per week, I would re-evaluate why you are on ANY steroids at all. That's just STUPID. PERIOD. The drinking WILL add to the negative impact of the orals. But more importantly, it tells me that you are probably young and inexperienced and shouldn't be using steroids for bodybuilding to begin with. I could be wrong, of course.

I don't think many AAS "users" on here drink more than occasionally, if at all. Besides the obvious health issues with the liver, drinking is just plain USELESS for any bodybuilder and will ruin your overall progress. I have a couple of drinks maybe once a month when I'm out with my girl, and even then it's usually a bit of red wine. Sorry so BLATANTLY NEGATIVE in my response, but that's my take.

Ditto. Next thing you know he's gonna be blaming steroids for all his problems. Just like most Americans dont take responsibility and blame something or someone else for their problems. Just a fact of life.

km2000 · Feb 11, 2007

hey bro look into N Acetyl L Cystine, its a really good anti oxidant and helps to regenerate the liver, its cheap too...

Harry McNutsack · Feb 11, 2007

Putin said:
Ditto. Next thing you know he's gonna be blaming steroids for all his problems. Just like most Americans dont take responsibility and blame something or someone else for their problems. Just a fact of life.

You know, I've come to the conclusion that you're right. I want to take some dianabol, have a glass of red a couple nights a week, and watch my life rapidly spiral out of control. Then, I can come back to this site and tell everyone how 40mg of dianabol destroyed my life and blame all of you guys for providing me the necessary info. Or, maybe I can blame the alcohol? Just kidding, but I'd imagine that there are more people than you think that have a drink now and then while on a cycle. Maybe we should poll it?

I do agree with you that most Americans don't accept personal responsibility for their actions. The whole ephedra debacle was a prime example. What a goddamn joke. A few clowns ruin it for everybody.

Big Danny · Feb 12, 2007

Harry McNutsack said:
Hey guys. I'm not trying to hijack your post, but I had a similar question that I was searching the boards for yesterday. Is there a synergistic (negative) effect from taking orals and drinking 2-3 nights a week? I don't know if I'm wording this right or not. I guess I'm asking if the risk is the same as if you were doing each on their own, or if it multiplies and compounds the negative effects from combining them.

coolkat- It looks like you are already doing this, but keep your fiber intake up. No faster way to rid the toxins that the supplements are ridding your body of.

The impact will be called Molotov Koktail onto your liver. Don't play russian rulette with your body!

ironone1 · Feb 12, 2007

Try some NAC (acet cyst) and give the drinking and orals up.

Grunt76 · Feb 12, 2007

Well since the original poster got his advice, let's get to Harry now.

Harry, here is a simple ground rule for you. One rule that ANY and ALL AAS users need to abide by ALL THE TIME:

- When on ANY orals, do NOT take ANY alcohol whatsoever.

Too simple huh? That's because there is a very real synergy between AAS and alcohol at destroying the liver. Plus if you don't get problems right away you will make it a habit of it, which will GUARANTEE problems later on. Unless you have a one in a million liver, like Gavin has.

Harry McNutsack · Feb 12, 2007

Thanks guys. I'll take all of your advice and not mix the two.

leapfrog · Feb 12, 2007

liver

you can get hepargen from the vet supply,it's inj liver and kidney detox and work awesome.also you can get essential forte 300 from herbhealer.com which actually has been shown to grow new liver tissue.

leap

if you search i posted a liver detox thread with the vitamins to detox the liver.

coolkat said:
How long for the liver to recover after some drinking and occ. 17aa use over 6 mo. ???

My AST was 60, ALT 83, and GGT 133 last week of JAN.

I have not had any alcohol since 1-31-07 and no oral 17aa's since Dec. 2006.
I am taking: Liv-52 1 tab 3x/day, Milk Thistle 300mg 3x/day (80% standardized ), Lecithin Granules 2 tablespoons 2x/day, a gallon of water a day, Dandelion root 3x/day, Alpha Lipoic Acid 100mg 3x/day, 1000mg of NAC 2x/day, L-Caritine liquid 1000mg 2x/day, and 10 grams of L-Glutamine every am.

I am also adding 2 servings of oatmeal per day, 2 apples a day, and 1-2 bananas, plus other vits. and supps.

Sound good??? I know a blood test will really tell. Should I wait 2 months ??? 3 months ??? more ???

Anything else effective to take ?