looking for insulin

[thierrybody]

hi,bro,i'm french and i want to take slin with my hgh this year to see if it' awesome or if hgh alone is better.and what kind of slin (fast,slow...)thanks

 

[thierrybody]

it's good to know that you speak french.Can you explain how to order slin ,I think it's necessary to put it in a fridge.thanks

 

[Hans]

First off there is no such thing as Humalog-R. There is a Humulin-R and Humalog. I know because I have both kinds sitting in my fridge right now as we speak. Yes it does need to be refrigerated after it is opened or drawn from. Check out online pharmacies over there. I know you can get Humalog from Canada but that is a ways for you. Get on the net and start searching, that is what I did, since Humalog requires a prescription over here in America.
Oh yea, you want Humalog it is the fastest acting. Humulin-R will do but is not preferable. Take the time to find Humalog.

 

[Big A]

First off there is no such thing as Humalog-R. There is a Humulin-R and Humalog. I know because I have both kinds sitting in my fridge right now as we speak. Yes it does need to be refrigerated after it is opened or drawn from. Check out online pharmacies over there. I know you can get Humalog from Canada but that is a ways for you. Get on the net and start searching, that is what I did, since Humalog requires a prescription over here in America.
Oh yea, you want Humalog it is the fastest acting. Humulin-R will do but is not preferable. Take the time to find Humalog.

I always recomend AGAINST Humalog. Too unpredictable while Hum-R works like clockwork. You can get in a lot of trouble with Humalog real quick, no matter how careful you are.

 

[maldorf]

I really agree here. I used to use humalog and would go hypo sometimes, it is unpredictable sometimes. I use humulin-R now and never had an issue. I use 15 IU PWO and 10IU in the morning after breakfast too. Highest I went with humalog was 10IU and I would still have issus every now and then.

 

[Steak Helmet]

I messed up with the humalog/lin/humalagin/humiliog-r and himalayog, sorry.. I told you I can have it but that's about it, I not very knowledgeable on the stuff because of my lack of interest in the product from a business stand point. But, I can get my hands on pretty much anyone on those discussed by the bosses outthere, so listen to them/do the research or both, and let me know what brand you chose. thanks!

hmmmm, you think more experienced fellas would be all over it...or maybe their experince with it has pushed them away??

 

[hiddenbelow]

Easier to walk into wal-mart and pay them 15 bucks and walk the fuck back out!!!

DW

 

[confuzed_guy2000]

Easier to walk into wal-mart and pay them 15 bucks and walk the fuck back out!!!

DW

Wal-mart isn't bad about 'slin?

 

[deadlift18]

i have used novolog (equivalent for humalog) and have only had one bad incident. for those of you have have never gone hypo bad it's no fun. i knew it right when it happened (horrible sweats, a little disoriented (but still well aware of things). i raided the kitchen and had a carbo load!!!! and all was good. my current pwo regime is 10 IU GH, 60 mcg ifg, and 10 iu novolog 3 x week. i may throw in some hum-r on those days with my meals to see what happens.

 

[Hans]

Allright, I'm going to argue the fact that Humalog is not more dangerous than R. I've had more experiences going hypo on R than log, in fact I've never had a bad one with log. They both have about the same onset time, here is a chart. Meaning it is no more dangerous than Humalog when we are talking about the time it takes to take effect. Humulin-R is slightly longer in it's onset, but not enough to make a difference in what we're talking about. What is dangerous is when you have a longer acting insulin in your body which requires you to be much more careful in you maintenance of your blood levels. I can take log an hour and a half before bed if I workout that late if I consume 1 big shake, but I could never do that with R. It ain't just that first hour or two it is like 3-5 depending on your body. Fo r me I can take 15 iu's of log and have a huge carb and protein drink after I workout and I am good. With R I have to make sure I get in two to three meals at least to stave of hypo and you'll know it. I am not the only one that endorses Humalog. Read Gavin's article on Insulin protocol, he is very specific in it that you should really try to get Humalog if you can. He advocates R if your just going to do 3-4 iu's befopre each meal which does not require monitoring anyways. If you are new to insulin GET HUMALOG!! I know alot of you like R and that is great, like I said, got some in my fridge right now, but for what we want it for Humalog serves the purpose much better. The person to argue about this with would be Gavin, but I have a feeling you're not going to get far with him on this subject. I will not speak for him though, just a hunch. Peace my friends.

 

[Big A]

Humalog can kick in before your maltodextrin or glucose has been absorbed, even if it's on an empty stomach, so you will go into hypo. It's VERY bad for newbies, as if they hit hypo they won't be able to read the signs and/or know how to deal with it.

Hum-R kicks in exactly 30min after the injection. If you have your malto/glucose when you have the injection, the 30min peak will be taken care off. The next peak happens 2 hours later. You have a correct meal then, you sail right through it without any issues.
You can time your watch by the predicatble times that Hum-R acts.

After the meal after the 2 hours after injecting, you can go to sleep safely.

Sure, I'll argue with Gavin anytime LOL

 

[swervedriver]

I have to disagree with you guys on the Humalog, Hum R. thing... I personally have never had any trouble with Humalog... The reason I like it is because it hits you pretty quick (onset 5 minutes) and is out of the body fairly fast (peaks within an hour, and out of the body within 2 hours)... However my wifes endocronologist said that Humalog is actually out of your system faster than the literature suggests, usually gone within an hour or so...

Now Hum R. is a little different... The onset for Hum R. is 30 minutes after injection, and peaks around 2 hours after injection and clears the body within 4 hours after injection... Therefore, even though it is also a fast acting insulin it tends to linger in the body alot longer than Humalog, hence you have a greater chance of going hypo...

However, I will agree with Big A in that some guys have problems with Humalog, but it is because they don't realize that it hits you really fast (like within 5-10 minutes after injection) and they wait too long before eating or drinking their shakes... The next thing you know they are in trouble... If you go ahead and start ingesting some sort of carb drink such as powerade or gatorade immediately after taking your shot you will be perfectly fine using Humalog and I believe will be very happy with it...

My wife has been a diabetic since she was a little girl... So I have dealt with the insulin thing on more than one level... Even she says that Humalog is alot safer than Hum. R. if you do not wait around to eat after taking your shot... So I guess it is up to the individual, but I would rather go with something that works much faster and subsequently out of the body quicker to lessen the risk of having low blood sugar levels long after taking the shot... Hope this helps...

 

[swervedriver]

Big A, I agree totally with what you are saying about if you eat a meal 2 hours after injection of Hum R. then you are fine... Sure, but what about the guys who get sidetracked or get hit with symptoms quicker than they expected and end up in real danger... Because you know that when your blood sugar drops suddenly from insulin use that there is only a small window before you are not able to help yourself... I have seen people come VERY close to passing out because it hit them at an unsuspected time... So to me it would be far better to use the faster acting Humalog and be prepared to hit the carb drink immediately than to guess when the Hum. R is going to peak... Just my take... But again it is all relative and up to the individual...

 

[Hans]

Humalog can kick in before your maltodextrin or glucose has been absorbed, even if it's on an empty stomach, so you will go into hypo. It's VERY bad for newbies, as if they hit hypo they won't be able to read the signs and/or know how to deal with it.

Hum-R kicks in exactly 30min after the injection. If you have your malto/glucose when you have the injection, the 30min peak will be taken care off. The next peak happens 2 hours later. You have a correct meal then, you sail right through it without any issues.
You can time your watch by the predicatble times that Hum-R acts.

After the meal after the 2 hours after injecting, you can go to sleep safely.

Sure, I'll argue with Gavin anytime LOL

I bet you will, a lot of people do and I would like to see the outcome. Anyways, on a serious note. I see where you're coming from but try this if you will. After you are done working out do 10-15 iu's, whatever you normally usae and wait don't eat or drink anything. Wait until you start to get the shakes. Now I know everybody is different but for me it is almost 20 minutes to the T. Humulin-R is like 5-10 minutes longer, so yes, about 30 minutes. I think a lot of people get the idea the Humalog is like instant and it is by no means instant. To negate what I say is saying you know my body and a lot of others better than they do and you and I know that is not so. I respect your opinion but I vehemently disagree with you and think that if "newbie" can get their hands on Humalog then they by ALL means should! They are not going to get into trouble any quicker to really make a difference unless they're complete idiots and don't understand the fact that you must consume carbs directly after administration, but they will get out of the trouble a lot quicker. MAkes perfect sense. 10 iu's is 10 iu's and even if it sets in at 10 minutes that is not what I would call unmanageable. Do your research if you're going to use insulin (no I'm not talking about you) and no that it is a dangerous drug. Being a newbie and not doing research and knowing the activity and effect of insulin is going to get you into big trouble no matter which insulin you use. My experience is the longer acting, the more monitoring and the fatter you get. All you need it for is the window of opportunity anyways after your muscles have been depleted of glycogen. Why extend it out further if you don't need to. Makes absolutely perfect sense to this guy, but I know you will disagree because you are stuck in your belief and I'm not foolish enough to waste my time tryiong to persuade you differently. Seriously though, if you doubt me, try the no eating until hypo experiment with both log and R and you will see what I mean. It does not matter whether you are a newbie or not. If you are a newbie, a real newbie you should not use insulin PERIOD.

 

[Hans]

Notice to all NEWBIES!!!

Drink a carb/protein shake immediately upon injection of ANY insulin!!! No exceptions. There, it is said. Now there should be no excuse. It really is simple as hell. If you think getting newbies to eat or drink something right away is hard, try getting them to be more alert for a longer poeriod of time and stick to a timetable for 2-3 hours after injection. That requires more responsibility thatn just eating right away after injection and being done with it. And I agree with swervedriver. It is out of my system in about an hour too. Or at least I don't feel it anymore and don't have to eat another meal if I don't want to. Again, why would you want high levels of insulin in your body for prolonged periods of time. Makes no sense. If you want the long term anabolic effects just shoot3-4 iu's every 3-4 hours of Humulin-r and you get that effect. No sense in going supraphysiological on that ass and just getting a big ass.

 

[Hans]

Oh and swervedriver...

YOur avatar ahs got to be one of the hottest little pieces of ass I think I've seen on any board thus far. Where did you find that. Don't tell me that is your girlfriend.

 

[Hans]

I'm hypoglycemic, and want to use slin very bad. I'm still researching, but wouldn't I want to use a fast acting slin?

If you're hypoglycemic by nature, you will probably not want to play with insulin at all, but if you do, the last thing you wnt in you is a long acting insulin. I don't know what I can do or say to get this point across. Wait yes I do. Get several kinds of insulin, Humalog, Humulin-R, and Humulin-L and experiment around with them. I am going to tell you this, the Humulin-L is not only going to be very dangerous for you but if you can keep your blood sugar levels under control you will be guaranteed to get fat. That is not an opinion, but a hard fact. DOn't actually do this. What you want IS a fast acting insulin. As long as you consume proper nutrients after injection you will be fine and you won't have to worry about needlessy consuming extra carbs later down the line to keep from going hypo. After you've shuttled the necessary carbs into your myocytes and filled them up per se, there is no reason on GOds green earth to keep taking excess in. Your muscles don't need that much anymore. you have replaced the depleted glycogen stores and if you dose right and know your body and the minimal carb amount you can get away with then not only will you not get fat but you will be shuttling a good portion of protein directly into your myocytes (muscle cells, sorry). I hope this makes sense to you, because it really is the safest way to administer insulin. I completely understand peoples fear about Humalog and I had it too years ago, but once you realize the action of it and how your body responds then and only then will you know. Some guys get sick from Humalog like BigHeinz, but most have no problem with it. And if Humulin-R is the only kind you can get, then it is not the end of the world at all, it's just that Humalog is preferable. THere are a few here who disagree with me, but there are so many more who agree that log is the best for the purposes we are using it for. I say get both just in case you don't like Humalog then you have Humulin-R there at your disposal, but be very careful with that one actually moreso, I or no one else here wants to give the impression that it is harmless compared to Humalog because that is not the case at all. Research, research, research, my friend and as irresponsible as it sounds, you must somewhat experiment with you own body to know what you can handle and what will put you hypo. Just start small, like 4-5 iu's post workout and work your way up. You will find out where your cutoff point is.

 

[Magnum]

Shoot the log, immediately drink your drink, eat one hour later. All is well.

 

[Hans]

Shoot the log, immediately drink your drink, eat one hour later. All is well.

Thank you for putting it succinctly as you have. I just feel with insulin a little explaining needs to be done because it is quite different than any other anabolic or peptide. Aren't you adamantly against the use of insulin though. You say it ruins physiques. I want to hear more on that because I was thinking about what you have said in other threads and am starting to wonder whether my somewhat distended belly is because of high androgen use coupled with insulin use. No hgh or IGF here. My whole life I've had a wasp like waist and now it is a little bigger than it should be and I'm not fat at all. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Magnum]

Thank you for putting it succinctly as you have. I just feel with insulin a little explaining needs to be done because it is quite different than any other anabolic or peptide. Aren't you adamantly against the use of insulin though. You say it ruins physiques. I want to hear more on that because I was thinking about what you have said in other threads and am starting to wonder whether my somewhat distended belly is because of high androgen use coupled with insulin use. No hgh or IGF here. My whole life I've had a wasp like waist and now it is a little bigger than it should be and I'm not fat at all. What are your thoughts on this?

For the most part I am against it, but I have tried both R and Log. I'm realistic enough to know that some are going to use it no matter what I say and some can get away with using it at times and depending on what type of physique that they have. I have never had any problems the both times that I have used it except once when I used the R I forgot to eat my second meal an hour later and at the 3 hour mark I was reminded by getting a little shakey. Actually I was glad it happened since I was starting to wonder if it was any good since I never felt anything from it before and since. Remember that this was the second spike so it was not bad at all. Also, before I used it I researched the hell out of it and consulted with a Dr and Pharmacist. Told them both how I was going to use it and they both were like, sounds good to us. I used 10iu with 100gr of Carbo hit.