Massive G Questions for you .......

[Iabadman]

First of all, you know that I see you as one the brightest , coolest , and most sharing guys on the net .[ even though you never answer my pms ....lol...just playing] I have learned a ton and want your opinion on a few things if you can find the time I would love a detailed answer . [I am sure everyone here ,plus we could link it to intensemuscle , would love to here what you have to say ]

Since you read my thread on currant training , and goals of health , anti aging , while holding as lean /muscular physique as possible .......I 'd like to hear your take on the ultimate supp regimin to achive those goals ......if money was no concern ......how would you eat and supp to do this ? I also would be curious to what your take is on the ultimate HRT /antiaging protical ? [I am going to ask emeric these questions in person as well] The reason I am asking you is that I trust that you always cover all of your bases [I 'd love Dante to chime in on this one too because he does as well ......Phil too,if it makes sense to him] But I know that you think things through and I don't think most do when it comes to supps or anti aging medicine .........your thoughts would be very appreciated ......I would love to see the ulitmate protical in your eyes to reach my goals of being a lean muscular , sexy[ lol] man as long as freaking possible .....................Hopefully ,you will find time to really give this one some good thought and a great answer [ maybe Phil and Dante can jump in ] ..........I have been through alot .I just want to make health and anti aging my number one priorty .......things are rolling and as my program evolves I want to do things the will produce the best results ..........thanks ,

 

[El_Animal]

Bump for you!

 

[emeric delczeg]

First of all, you know that I see you as one the brightest , coolest , and most sharing guys on the net .[ even though you never answer my pms ....lol...just playing] I have learned a ton and want your opinion on a few things if you can find the time I would love a detailed answer . [I am sure everyone here ,plus we could link it to intensemuscle , would love to here what you have to say ]

Since you read my thread on currant training , and goals of health , anti aging , while holding as lean /muscular physique as possible .......I 'd like to hear your take on the ultimate supp regimin to achive those goals ......if money was no concern ......how would you eat and supp to do this ? I also would be curious to what your take is on the ultimate HRT /antiaging protical ? [I am going to ask emeric these questions in person as well] The reason I am asking you is that I trust that you always cover all of your bases [I 'd love Dante to chime in on this one too because he does as well ......Phil too,if it makes sense to him] But I know that you think things through and I don't think most do when it comes to supps or anti aging medicine .........your thoughts would be very appreciated ......I would love to see the ulitmate protical in your eyes to reach my goals of being a lean muscular , sexy[ lol] man as long as freaking possible .....................Hopefully ,you will find time to really give this one some good thought and a great answer [ maybe Phil and Dante can jump in ] ..........I have been through alot .I just want to make health and anti aging my number one priorty .......things are rolling and as my program evolves I want to do things the will produce the best results ..........thanks ,

Call me, I have the answers for you.

 

[Iabadman]

pm your number emeric.....maybe i can start using some of your ideas and methods before I am able to get down and actually train with you in person .[although I am looking forward to that very much ]thanks....

 

[speedbacker]

also interested in Massive G, DC, etc.., thoughts on this.

 

[Iabadman]

fourthgen......no ...absolutely appreciate your imput[always enjoy your posts] . Thanks for sharing. It looks like a very good program and I see your reasoning for everything . I like that you swith your gh to eod at times.........I have only gh once for like 10 days and I couldn't stand it anymore .The sides killed ......the wirst and shoulder pain was horrible .....lost grip strength and numbness as well ......it sucked ....I was also tired much of the time ........I know some old school guys that were under Kerr and walzak s care and they were doing 4 ius eod . 4 iu s a day was too much for me ......also I like the eod gh use to prevent nat gh from totally turning off .....the test seem rt .......why the proviron ? ....I like the stuff ....isn't there better ways to control estrogen [maybe even supps ,cuz you shouldn't be too elevated from 150mgs of test ] ....what about protecting the hair /postate? Or what about controling cortisol ? I like that hummafort is in there .....I just added it to control adrenal stress ........lots of good stuff..........I just want all my bases covered .......The look will come with diet and training .......the drugs would only be added for health ,longevity , and great sex ....lol......keep adding to this ....maybe we can come up with some cool stuff ........since G hasn't had time to chime in .....but that looks like one of the better stacks I ve seen.........also I can't stand dhea .....it converts straight to oestrogen in me ......I need to find a way to add a small ammount without jack myself up...lol

 

[GoneForever]

There are a few who cannot handle GH. Maybe switch brands. I found that if you start with 1iu per day and work it up an iu every 10days, the sides are not as bad. You may even wanna go by .5iu's if your so sensitive. As for the proviron, I dont think its that much needed for HRT. I dont really use it for estrogen as I feel that proviron is not very adequate at all for lowering estro. At 150mg cypionate every week my estro is on the higher end, but still in range which I prefer, b/c my test is in the very high range as well if not a few points higher. I just like how I feel better on proviron. It free's up test and you can get away with using less testosterone and still reaping its benefits. I personally like 50mg ED but longterm its probably not a good idea to stay on that high forever. 25mg shouldnt effect bp,health,etc.. and can be used longterm imo.

 

[Iabadman]

Nice imput ......I appreciate your thoughts.......If I implement gh ,I will definately take your recomendations ........seriously ,I could not tell you how bad my body ached on 4 ius day .......I can not phathom how guys I know can use 8-12 ius a day .........I am tough [so I think ] and I freaking was miserable .......As with the proviron , I agree I liked the stuff alot . It might not be needed ,but a 12.5 mg dose 2 x a day ......might be something I should explore when I decide to go on test ........

Kinda of off subject, but maybe you will chime in.......one of the reasons I never went back on gear is that I didn't like how I felt while on it .[I loved the strength ,aggression , and extra growth.....plus that rounder hard look gear brings] But I hated the fact I would be horny as hell with in a week of taking a shot . But sex didn't feel the same . I Had to work way harder to cum . Didn't feel as good when I did . And When I would cum the ammount of ejaculate was greatly reduced .[ I am thinking my postate must be very sensitive to androgens ] . In my life ,sex matters big time. I could never be one of those guys that's looks great .....but has no balls , can't shoot a decent load , and can't keep it up without something. This isn't really talked about , but a few years ago ,I asked around about this question. And to my surprize I wasn't the only one . Most said ,who cares ......just live with . That didn't sit well with me . I like woman .I could care less if men think I am all big and bad..........ha ha ......I want to enjoy my sex life.........if even not doing hrt because I have to deal with those type sides ,then fine by me. But being horny like crazy for a few weeks and not realy enjoying the result , and then after a cycle losing my drive and preformance for a bit is just not worth it to me .........From talking to guys about this .....I just can't believe they just live with that just to be bigger and stronger.....I want to really get on a total hrt /antiaging program but I will cease it in a minute if it affects my sex life ........maybe when I get a little more up there in years ......I will not care .....but I am single , with no kids , and still have alot of girlies I enjoy being with ...........anything thoughts or advices?

 

[GoneForever]

Everyone I ever ever met who has tried aas or on it admitted that it took them much longer than normal to cum. I too expierenced this. I dont know if there is an actual scientific explanation to this either. I truely believe that aas can have sides that are not known to science yet. If you notice, it turns many people into monsters. Not just anger, but completely different people. Now this isnt the case with everyone but it is with a large few i've encountered, but at the same time, this occus with natty bodybuilders as well, so maybe its the sport. Anyway, not to get sidetracked, Its very normal to take longer to bust. Everyone I know has this happen. I dont think controlling estrogen, or lowering doses,etc.. any of that matters. I dont think we have the anwser to this yet. As for less of a good feeling, I think this just may come with time. You want your first BJ, you get it, sure the next 10 feel good but then you want pussy. Then thats good for a while, then you want the ass, etc.... when on test, your so much horiner its like nothing is good enough. So I think its the combo of excess hormone and bordem.

Also, forgot to add, i've been on HRT for like 3yrs now, and have been on HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week ever since. I stayed on it due to fear if I wanted to have kids one day, but even though we know we dont, it has kept the balls fuller. You many wanna try 500iu 2x per week for a while while on and see how you like it. I recently this past 6months dropped from 500iu 2x per week to 250-300iu 2x per week and havent noticed anything diff so you just gotta expierement with it. On a cycle I recommened 500iu 2x per week.

 

[Iabadman]

That's crazy that we as bbers or athletes are ok with that ....lol ....I guess I am not or I would be a much bigger person....lol......but for me a week a after my first shot I 'd be like here we go again......delayed ejacualtion, less volume that would get worse the longer the cycle went, and the intensity of my orgasisms would suck.........not cool when you are hrny all the time ........like you said because guys don't want to talk about this I don't think it has really been understood why this is happening and if soemthing could be done to counter it ............and hcg , lots of guys didn't like it .....I was using during cycle when very few ever tried it......I liked it ....instantly ,got stronger when I would add it in after being on for 2 weeks[ remember I only did about 6 week cycles....] yes there was alittle water and oestrogen with it ......but for me it made sense........as far as for hrt I don't know ........swale likes it and I respect him alot ......but not sure it is nessary ....i do know i wounld want pees for balls ........lol

 

[phatkid77]

1. PM me whatever emeric tells you when u call him, your goals sound similiar to mine..

2. make sure u have a n anit E in there, when my estrogen rose i too suffered (not really, haha) delayed ejaculation...soon as took arimidex, i went back to normal

i too like regular sized balls, hahah, but also IF you want kids, HCG maybe of interst to you, i think SWALE says it has something to do with pregnenolone as well, since testosterone shuts SOMETHING else down, not sure what
also, ive heard the GH sides subside after a couple weeks?? but the first whil is HELL....until your body adjusts..

phats

 

[Iabadman]

ha ha ...phat ...emeric's words and advice stays between he and I .....unless he wants me to share it .......then i will gladly help you out with what I learn.......I am very thankful he is willing to help .......still hoping massive G will add something in [maybe phil and dante as well ] ......but maybe they don't have time or wish to share all their knowledge which is very understandable .........appreciate your imput

 

[Massive G]

fourthgen......no ...absolutely appreciate your imput[always enjoy your posts] . Thanks for sharing. It looks like a very good program and I see your reasoning for everything . I like that you swith your gh to eod at times.........I have only gh once for like 10 days and I couldn't stand it anymore .The sides killed ......the wirst and shoulder pain was horrible .....lost grip strength and numbness as well ......it sucked ....I was also tired much of the time ........I know some old school guys that were under Kerr and walzak s care and they were doing 4 ius eod . 4 iu s a day was too much for me ......also I like the eod gh use to prevent nat gh from totally turning off .....the test seem rt .......why the proviron ? ....I like the stuff ....isn't there better ways to control estrogen [maybe even supps ,cuz you shouldn't be too elevated from 150mgs of test ] ....what about protecting the hair /postate? Or what about controling cortisol ? I like that hummafort is in there .....I just added it to control adrenal stress ........lots of good stuff..........I just want all my bases covered .......The look will come with diet and training .......the drugs would only be added for health ,longevity , and great sex ....lol......keep adding to this ....maybe we can come up with some cool stuff ........since G hasn't had time to chime in .....but that looks like one of the better stacks I ve seen.........also I can't stand dhea .....it converts straight to oestrogen in me ......I need to find a way to add a small ammount without jack myself up...lol

I'll chime in when I can J. Interested too outline this for you because this is really down my alley-I am doing this exact thing-finding a way to train as I age (38-20 years exp) and it's different and simpler than you think because you have muscle memory and time and the mindset to follow the programs.

I always chuckle when I see a 220 lb kid telling guys how to get to 300?
Huh? You ain't never been there how are you gonna tell people how to??

I can put 30-40 lbs on someone in a year. Guranteed. But they aren't going to be healthy after that and I refuse to play that game anymore. Just can't consciously do it legally and morally wise. I cannot stand to train people anymore and stopped years ago for the same reason-that and boredom.

There are a lot of cut and paste wizards on the boards that put stuff out there and can't tell you why they take it. No offense to fouthgen but 90% of the stuff I see in your post above came from me and DC's posts. Do you actually use this stuff and benefit from it? If so tell us how? changes in blood work? how about enhanced immunity? Just stuff like that.

When I started on gh in 2003-I had to figure out how to use it-every one of the people on the net were doing 5 on 2 off. Made no fking sense to me. I was the guy behind the every third day GH protocols and the EOD ones-unheard of on the board years ago. I let it out to a couple of guys and said "keep my name out of it" as at that time I was a pretty high profile person on the boards and didn't need the attention. Look around everyone is doing it. Every idea comes from somewhere-the ones that take the risks and or benefits and get the results and share them are what I look for -for feedback. about 6-7 years ago there was some posts about takig GH in huge blasts once a week or more like what happens in puberty, I also saw Phil and BigA mention infrequent high doses on this board years ago as well. Put a few things toether and bam the ETD and eventually EOD protocols were born.
That's not to say we were the first to use them just pioneers of them.

BB? Remember that? Yes that came from me 10 years ago when people were paying $$$$$ for "magic solutions" and "super secret solvents" jeezus common solvent used in steroid oils is BB, BA is the bacteristatic agent and should be less than 1%. After I posted about Benzyl Benzoate and kits-I pretty got all the threat from Animal who I call ASSIMAL and to this day that's the only board I have ever been banned from because I broke his ass on so many post it crushed his ego.

The above is just me rambling so excuse my attitude at times I am undergoing an extremely stress time right now after some personal loss and a loss of half my house due to water damamge. But I will be back around.

 

[KillerStack]

Everyone I ever ever met who has tried aas or on it admitted that it took them much longer than normal to cum. I too expierenced this. I dont know if there is an actual scientific explanation to this either. I truely believe that aas can have sides that are not known to science yet. If you notice, it turns many people into monsters. Not just anger, but completely different people. Now this isnt the case with everyone but it is with a large few i've encountered, but at the same time, this occus with natty bodybuilders as well, so maybe its the sport. Anyway, not to get sidetracked, Its very normal to take longer to bust. Everyone I know has this happen. I dont think controlling estrogen, or lowering doses,etc.. any of that matters. I dont think we have the anwser to this yet. As for less of a good feeling, I think this just may come with time. You want your first BJ, you get it, sure the next 10 feel good but then you want pussy. Then thats good for a while, then you want the ass, etc.... when on test, your so much horiner its like nothing is good enough. So I think its the combo of excess hormone and bordem.

Also, forgot to add, i've been on HRT for like 3yrs now, and have been on HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week ever since. I stayed on it due to fear if I wanted to have kids one day, but even though we know we dont, it has kept the balls fuller. You many wanna try 500iu 2x per week for a while while on and see how you like it. I recently this past 6months dropped from 500iu 2x per week to 250-300iu 2x per week and havent noticed anything diff so you just gotta expierement with it. On a cycle I recommened 500iu 2x per week.

That's interesting commentary - like reading off an anti-steroid website that tries to scare kids away from steroids. I'm not saying what you say is false but "we" usually protest and cry on here when outsiders with no steroid experience or knowledge bring up sexual problems and personality changes. In fact, this website has had a lot of almost anti-steroid opinions from vets lately, like how they are addicting, how you should really think about doing that first injection in the first place, how they can kill you even if you are moderate, everyone experiencing sexual problems, mood and even total personality changes etc etc.

Just interesting to me.

 

[halflife]

I'll chime in when I can J. Interested too outline this for you because this is really down my alley-I am doing this exact thing-finding a way to train as I age (38-20 years exp) and it's different and simpler than you think because you have muscle memory and time and the mindset to follow the programs.

I always chuckle when I see a 220 lb kid telling guys how to get to 300?
Huh? You ain't never been there how are you gonna tell people how to??

I can put 30-40 lbs on someone in a year. Guranteed. But they aren't going to be healthy after that and I refuse to play that game anymore. Just can't consciously do it legally and morally wise. I cannot stand to train people anymore and stopped years ago for the same reason-that and boredom.

There are a lot of cut and paste wizards on the boards that put stuff out there and can't tell you why they take it. No offense to fouthgen but 90% of the stuff I see in your post above came from me and DC's posts. Do you actually use this stuff and benefit from it? If so tell us how? changes in blood work? how about enhanced immunity? Just stuff like that.

When I started on gh in 2003-I had to figure out how to use it-every one of the people on the net were doing 5 on 2 off. Made no fking sense to me. I was the guy behind the every third day GH protocols and the EOD ones-unheard of on the board years ago. I let it out to a couple of guys and said "keep my name out of it" as at that time I was a pretty high profile person on the boards and didn't need the attention. Look around everyone is doing it. Every idea comes from somewhere-the ones that take the risks and or benefits and get the results and share them are what I look for -for feedback. about 6-7 years ago there was some posts about takig GH in huge blasts once a week or more like what happens in puberty, I also saw Phil and BigA mention infrequent high doses on this board years ago as well. Put a few things toether and bam the ETD and eventually EOD protocols were born.
That's not to say we were the first to use them just pioneers of them.

BB? Remember that? Yes that came from me 10 years ago when people were paying $$$$$ for "magic solutions" and "super secret solvents" jeezus common solvent used in steroid oils is BB, BA is the bacteristatic agent and should be less than 1%. After I posted about Benzyl Benzoate and kits-I pretty got all the threat from Animal who I call ASSIMAL and to this day that's the only board I have ever been banned from because I broke his ass on so many post it crushed his ego.

The above is just me rambling so excuse my attitude at times I am undergoing an extremely stress time right now after some personal loss and a loss of half my house due to water damamge. But I will be back around.

Wow massive, really looking forward to your follow up post. But definitely take care of your current life situation bro, I hope everything works out!

 

[Iabadman]

Massive.........thanks for responding....... I will love to read your imput as i knew that you and I are kind of in the same place . Near the same age , going through alot [ with jury and personal loss and we both have been been pretty big boys ]

I am sorry for all you have been enduring ,if I could be of any help please pm me . Hang in there.......

As far as your frustraion with the boards ......I remember 10-12 yrs ago when dante and shawn[aka jason muller .....why we crossed paths ....i defended him on mayhem and you pm'd me introducing yourself] first hit the boards . I had been busted and had kind walked away from the sport . I found it hard to train and was bummed that my goals had been crushed . I couldn't understand it when they would spend hours on the boards. But then I saw what was going on, the things being dicussed , the drama , trading of ideas , ect......I was jealous that they had the sport that I loved still in their lives. I went on to focus on career and fam for awhile . Years later [I think 4 yrs ago ] bbing and the boards found me . I was like a kid in the candy store .I was amazed by the boards , but by then I had missed all the good stuff .......seems like the cool stuff on the boards and the lengendary personalities got bored by the earlys 2000s.......I get bummed that i missed out on such interesting times.......but to us new bees ......we still need you , dante , jason, big a , lats , jt , bald nazi, .........the boards can still have purpose and be fun to you guys if you stick to topics like this ........

As far gh.....ha ha......great minds think a like on the eod protical huh? And like I said I have many of my own thoughts on gear and hrt . But I trust you , dante ,lats , emeric ,phil , to come up with things that make sure my bases are covered and my thinking is correct .........a couple of yrs ago we dicussed gear when i was thinking of gearing up and making a run for some shows ......your ideas were almost verbatium what i had done in the past .[ I still have that e-mail btw and cherish the info you shared] The fellas like you ,dante ,big a , emeric ,lats and phil are the real heros of our sport. Because of the net you helped thousands of people train smarter ,eat healthier ,protect themselves , and take an honest look at themselves . Not too many pros have or ever will touch as many as you all have . And that ain't ass kissing bro.......that is fact.......thanks for everything G , it is appreciated .hopefully you will respond to this in detail sometime soon . Until then , all my best and know i am in your corner for real..........much love

 

[morepain]

Iabadman, you and i don't know each other per se, but i have been around forever, going back to the old UG and renegade boards. Anyway, your approach here is one that most of us older guys are facing these days. Sounds like you have a good healthy approach to things. That being said and not to oversimplify your situation but wouldn't the optimal approach to ani aging be to have full labs run once per year, compare them to what is considered optimal (this would be your decision) and then supplement where necessary? For instance why take Testosterone if your level is already optimal? Why take GH if your IGF levels are optimal? I guess what i am saying is that no one can lay out a protocol no matter how smart they are without knowing where you are now. Good luck with everything.

 

[Iabadman]

An old schooler ....I love you old renegade and UG guys ....I wish there was achieves to read from fom those old boards.....anyway thanks for chimming in and clearly that is a very logical approach indeed. I like to give blood every 2 months and run tests every 3 - 6 months . Yes , you are right . You can supp to adjust as you suggest or your can supp to prevent ,as well as maximize your state of well being . I want to be alittle more agressive and I won't tip my hand just yet .But father did alot of research in this field [actually knew Dan Duchaine as well and lived down the street from him for awhile ......my dad died of a virus in his heart . But shortly before he died he was chronologically tested at UCLA as being 38 ......and he was 56 ] I believe if you cover the your bases ,comsume a lower cal /carb diet , keep body fat very low , and use the right supps/hormones you can't beat some of aging to the punch so to speak . i believe by picking these guys minds including yours ,that I can learn even more . I really spout off my feelings of what i know because people what to debate and argue . i am here to learn so that why i ask and share . I want to attack aging ,not prevent it . if you sit back and plug holes in a damm eventually it bursts ,but if you build a super modern damm it will hold up strong for many years to come and thats my line of thinking.....................but your point is respected , understood , and appreciated probably more than you know...........obvisously you are a wise vet that knows his stuff

 

[dragonfire101]

Best anti antiaging protocols are individualized and would require blood testing.

You want to address hormonal imbalances, systematic inflammation, oxidation , keep your body in an alkaline state and reduce acidity.


Best way to start is addressing diet.

Lowering calories is a big part of antiaging. Then increasing green foods and eating more of lower glycemic foods.

Then blood work to address hormones and adding in supplements for the imbalances.

I can post up my protocol later, but its tailored for me.


I see a lot of supplemnts posted nobody mentioned bromelain, ginger, and curcumin this would be for systematic inflammation along with fish oil. I feel addressing this issue has been very beneficial for me along with decreasing my cortisol that has been very high.This is a list of other supplements.


Fourth, I see you have Cholesterol supplements listed. Cholesterol is just a symptom of other things going on with the body. Some of those supplements do other things. Homocysteine levels need to be looked at also C-Reactive Protein etc.


Alot of anti aging clinics are switching from GH to CJC-1295. I would think using something that raises GH Endogenously would be better than Exogenous GH use. From reading the studies you may not get all the sides like you do from Exogenous GH something to consider.


Hey Massive G I use love your post at A,s board. I remember this other member Maxim who was a Chiropractor who was very knowledgeable also.

 

[Iabadman]

dragonfire glad you stepped in .....I 'd love to see what you do ......you are thinking in the right way ......but too western for my liking.....kinda like when you fight or play football .....if you wait and adjust you are too late imo ....a perfect protical is more agresive and puts you into the right environment for gorwth, recovery , repair,prevents illness , lowers stress , and creates a sort of super balance so to speak.......

I love that you adressed cortisol and emeric talks adreanals ......both are very important and both are usually not adressed in most proticals.......I know you are a smart cat so .....put up exactly what you do and maybe we can play with ........do you think tyroid fuction is important .....? masive g does and so do i ......

I believe a super environment can delay aging quite abit , and believe just countering blood work [and yes blood work is a key tool to individualize ] is not agressive enough . I am 38 and am often asked if I am in my late 20s .I am interested in staying there for as long as possible .I want to be a vampire so to speak........lol.....I think emeric has some ideas similar to my thoughts and I cant wait to call him later ......