Mike Liberatore talking about drugs (since last thread was deleted)

[KillerStack]

Exactly.

I made a point about his deca, prolactin and deca dick comment in the last thread. It's interesting to hear what pros have to say but most come out with some right crap. People think cos they are pro everything they say will be right. I brought up Ronnie Coleman in the last thread. It would be an honour to train with him but would I take his advice on nutrition and supplementation etc over the likes of JM or Neil Hill... fuck no.

Although I do agree with many of the things this guy wrote in this thread. 3-4 grams is about right for a low-moderate elite competitor imo. Well atleast this Mike has gained some exposure and will get clients etc from this so he might be able to afford more gh

I have no problem with quoted dosages either. It's just the funny excuses as to why he's not at the top, "I don't have the cash and balls to be at the top... but I could be you know, I have great genes, I only used 3iu to turn pro".

It's not about drugs... but at the same time, it kinda still is.

 

[get it in ya]

I just don't understand why anyone would care about what someone else is taking. I know a guy who takes 3g of test, 1000 tren, 4-6 anadrol, who gives a fuck. great that works for him but that would make me sick. half that tren would get me sick. what works for one guy wont work for me so why would I care what he's taking. do what works for you and stop being a school girl talking about what other guys doses are

 

[rradam]

I'd like to think this post is just all tongue-in-cheek... I'd like to think.


but fwiw it was a tad entertaining.

 

[Adonis89]

What interests me the most when these guys talk out about drugs is that a lot seem to never mention AI's, prolactin inhibitors or other things that would seem needed to function somewhat normally and not be a bloated cow at these doses, particularly doses of test. Maybe part of their genetic gift is not aromatizing heavily for instance...but from studying the shit out of the endocrine system, I don't see how these doses of test wouldn't aromatize heavily in almost everyone.

 

[KillerStack]

I just don't understand why anyone would care about what someone else is taking. I know a guy who takes 3g of test, 1000 tren, 4-6 anadrol, who gives a fuck. great that works for him but that would make me sick. half that tren would get me sick. what works for one guy wont work for me so why would I care what he's taking. do what works for you and stop being a school girl talking about what other guys doses are

Same reason Liberatore cares about what the top of the field is doing. Do you see him saying, "I don't care what they do, 3iu works for me, who cares what the Olympia top 6 is doing, I'll just keep doing what worked for me in the past". Everyone cares, let's not kid ourselves.

Even pros talk shit about their competition, "that guy is great but do you know how much shit he's taking!" The implication being they too could be at the top, it's just that they're "smart" and don't want to endanger their health.
Let's see Liberatore say he can never win shit as a pro... because his genetics and work ethic suck. We'll be waiting.

 

[MaineGuy]

What interests me the most when these guys talk out about drugs is that a lot seem to never mention AI's, prolactin inhibitors or other things that would seem needed to function somewhat normally and not be a bloated cow at these doses, particularly doses of test. Maybe part of their genetic gift is not aromatizing heavily for instance...but from studying the shit out of the endocrine system, I don't see how these doses of test wouldn't aromatize heavily in almost everyone.

One thing I find interesting is he states that about 90% of bodybuilders DON'T take Caber or Prami. I am curious why.

(Not towards your post Adonis)
As to people wanting to know what the pros take for dosages, well it is only our human nature to want to know. It is a sport you are partaking in, so why wouldn't you want to know all you can. If Michal Jordan has a secret drink or something that made him shoot the ball better, I would want to know what it is and how much to take, if I was a basketball player.

I think what some of the people get tired of is the speculating going on by many, but if Heath said I am going to give you every single detail of my AAS usage, you would listen just because you are curious. Don't tell me you wouldn't.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

One thing I find interesting is he states that about 90% of bodybuilders DON'T take Caber or Prami. I am curious why.

(Not towards your post Adonis)
As to people wanting to know what the pros take for dosages, well it is only our human nature to want to know. It is a sport you are partaking in, so why wouldn't you want to know all you can. If Michal Jordan has a secret drink or something that made him shoot the ball better, I would want to know what it is and how much to take, if I was a basketball player.

I think what some of the people get tired of is the speculating going on by many, but if Heath said I am going to give you every single detail of my AAS usage, you would listen just because you are curious. Don't tell me you wouldn't.

I been around a bit and have never even seen these two things. certainly have never used them. don't even know how to spell them.

I have done shows (and won) on no AI's at all and yet was on over 2gms test. didn't use diuretic either and came in dry (eough) and took 1st.

I have seen blood work and even doc said "wow, you don't convert much to estradiol, your levels are healthy...." and I will just say I was not on hrt dose...

everyone is different. sure maybe Mike L is leaving some things out but I think as a whole he is giving his experience and being incredibly honest about it. imo
-JS

 

[Geoffke]

How long do they use tren?

 

[LATS]

every one cares about what they taking lol.. i may not follow what they do.. i am a puss when it comes to dosage but i am always curious.. plain and simple fact is the more you can take and hold the sides at bay the more you gain.. to an extent.. everyone is different in that regard.. i feel like crap on test.. some people test makes them a a sexual beast.. it gives me a limp noodle past 250 mgs.. go figure

 

[csd0004]

Some stuff Mike says is truthful, but there is a fair amount that is left out. He does not mention slin, AIs, PIs, fat loss agents (T3, Clen, DNP, etc.). He did say that it was a low to average cycle, but the part that got me was his blatant advertising for Super DMZ (Blackstone Labs product). As many have said before on this forum - when a pro starts talking about cycles or "what it takes", they usually have an agenda (sponsored by Blackstone Labs). I respect Mike, and think he's got a hell of a physique, but I would expect a marketing pitch like this to be posted on Blackstone's forum or BB.com....not PM, where most guys here have good knowledge on the subject, and know what works, and what does not.

 

[Elvia1023]

I been around a bit and have never even seen these two things. certainly have never used them. don't even know how to spell them.

I have done shows (and won) on no AI's at all and yet was on over 2gms test. didn't use diuretic either and came in dry (eough) and took 1st.

I have seen blood work and even doc said "wow, you don't convert much to estradiol, your levels are healthy...." and I will just say I was not on hrt dose...

everyone is different. sure maybe Mike L is leaving some things out but I think as a whole he is giving his experience and being incredibly honest about it. imo
-JS

This stood out to me. I don't get why some guys think they are pro so must take everything that has ever existed. Sure they want to be the best and have good contacts and are offered alot of free product so I am sure they will try various peptides and prolactin inhibitors etc. But a lot of those things are a forum thing and most people would never need to use them. They would need aas though that is certain. Although all these myo products and various peptides can be great they are a lot less common than most think imo. I don't know another person using peptides in my city and I know 100's of aas users. Some people would want you to believe they are all on them but I very much doubt that.

Many people always think pro's are on some magical stack. Or if a guy comes out from nowhere and his huge he has to be on some sort of magical drug that has mutated his genetic code. I know guys on 1g test a day and they don't even know what aromasin is. Obviously an AI is definitely needed at that amount. The same goes for tren... some guys are on 300mg per day and do they fuck know what prami or caber are. Some guys can simply handle certain drugs better and most of them don't worry about it like the more research based (and health conscious) guys do on a daily basis.

 

[Knight9]

One thing I find interesting is he states that about 90% of bodybuilders DON'T take Caber or Prami. I am curious why.

(Not towards your post Adonis)
As to people wanting to know what the pros take for dosages, well it is only our human nature to want to know. It is a sport you are partaking in, so why wouldn't you want to know all you can. If Michal Jordan has a secret drink or something that made him shoot the ball better, I would want to know what it is and how much to take, if I was a basketball player.

I think what some of the people get tired of is the speculating going on by many, but if Heath said I am going to give you every single detail of my AAS usage, you would listen just because you are curious. Don't tell me you wouldn't.

That's simple...people haven't even known what Prami is except for the last....4 yrs. Remember that these drugs in bodybuilding are still relatively new and many pros had already undured/dealt with prolactin drugs without having any options in the past...so why would they be up to date or using them now unless they had coaches advocating it to correct serious sides or the bodybuilder themselves were brainiacs that kept up to date with this info?

 

[flipper2012]

What blows my mind is the belief that Pofessional bbers need t3, clen, and DNP for fat loss... that is just rediculous to me. Especially considering the amount of muscle, tren and HG GH. But hey you all have so many question's about anti e and prolactin inhibitors just go ask him he will answer

 

[CDJack]

The doses are higher than he stated, if all it took was pharma GH and 3500mgs of AAS there would be a shit ton of pros out there right now. Try triple or quadrupling those AAS doses and then your in the right ball park.

Try having different parents. It's all in the genetics. Taking more gear isn't the magical solution to becoming a pro.

 

[nothuman]

What blows my mind is the belief that Pofessional bbers need t3, clen, and DNP for fat loss... that is just rediculous to me. Especially considering the amount of muscle, tren and HG GH. But hey you all have so many question's about anti e and prolactin inhibitors just go ask him he will answer

Agreed. That stuff makes you look flat and worse while dieting. Unless they turn into fatasses at any point, they don't need it. Avoiding needing them altogether is always a smart move.

As far as most of them not using caber, my guess is it has to do with the price and the likely amount of fakes going around. There is no way of knowing whether caber or any type of AI is real unless getting bloodwork. You can't really "feel" that stuff and decide if it's real. It could be placebo or they could be putting other ingredients in there to make it seem legit.

 

[MaineGuy]

Agreed. That stuff makes you look flat and worse while dieting. Unless they turn into fatasses at any point, they don't need it. Avoiding needing them altogether is always a smart move.

As far as most of them not using caber, my guess is it has to do with the price and the likely amount of fakes going around. There is no way of knowing whether caber or any type of AI is real unless getting bloodwork. You can't really "feel" that stuff and decide if it's real. It could be placebo or they could be putting other ingredients in there to make it seem legit.

Ha, if you have had real caber, you will most likely know it. It will turn you into a sex freak!

 

[nothuman]

Ha, if you have had real caber, you will most likely know it. It will turn you into a sex freak!

Or they will label it caber when it's really viagra, which is what a former sponsor used to do

 

[onynx4]

good read

 

[flipper2012]

Or they will label it caber when it's really viagra, which is what a former sponsor used to do

Boom! Happened to me almost everytime

 

[letsrun4it]

My question is how do these guys not feel like shit? Lets be honest, steroids don't always make you feel great and at those dosages with something like Super DMZ...you got to feel at least a little shitty.

precontest it's hard to figure out why you feel so shitty, could be food, sleep, gear --- I think guys just accept it.