Modafinil?

Big A · May 23, 2005

Anyone has experiences with this? How does it compare to piracetam/prarimacetam?

Brand nam in the US - Provigil. In other countries - Modavigil.

BrooklynJuice · May 23, 2005

Mona will give you a boost at the right dose the 1st few times of use but with continued use effects become less and less noticeable.

As for the effects themselves is more of an awakeness/alertness type of feeling. Its felt most if you were deprived of some sleep or periods were you are noramally tired during the day. Its not like adderall or other amph's. In fact its very gentle.

Its best use IMO is to regulate sleep timing if it gets out of whack. If you tired its a useful supp if not then pass.

Pira and pram are entirely different, weather you feel it or not, they have multitude of brain healthy effects

Big A · May 23, 2005

BrooklynJuice said:
Mona will give you a boost at the right dose the 1st few times of use but with continued use effects become less and less noticeable.

As for the effects themselves is more of an awakeness/alertness type of feeling. Its felt most if you were deprived of some sleep or periods were you are noramally tired during the day. Its not like adderall or other amph's. In fact its very gentle.

Its best use IMO is to regulate sleep timing if it gets out of whack. If you tired its a useful supp if not then pass.

Pira and pram are entirely different, weather you feel it or not, they have multitude of brain healthy effects

Yes, I know about pira and pram, but it's impossible to get here (aust) so I'm looking for other alternatives.
I've had a crap year, so I still get nightmares every night, I am mostly sleep deprived and depressed, and because of that I fall behind greatly in my work.

Mr_Magoo · May 23, 2005

acetyl l carnitine would work well

JETHRO TULL · May 23, 2005

Nightmares, Big A?

Those aren't much fun. I've had a few intense ones myself. Are you having a wicked dream, waking up, and then so freaked out that you can't get back to sleep?

Big A · May 23, 2005

JETHRO TULL said:
Those aren't much fun. I've had a few intense ones myself. Are you having a wicked dream, waking up, and then so freaked out that you can't get back to sleep?

Not that kind. Every night I dream that I am back you know where. Or I lose everything in my life, like it nearly happened.

IronMike · May 23, 2005

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I don't know anything about these substances but would be curious to hear more or hear how they go with you Big A. I've had a shocker of a year so far and apart from being constantly sleep deprived (surviving on about 6 hours at the most, and so anxious I "run" in my sleep all night) I get a bit down in the dumps.

Reckon Modavigil could be worth a shot? Would it aid in levelling (elevating) moods as well as helping with mental fatigue?

IronMike

BrooklynJuice · May 23, 2005

Might wanna try Deprenyl aka Selegiline

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JETHRO TULL · May 23, 2005

PRETTY NORMAL CONSIDERING WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH.

Big A said:
Not that kind. Every night I dream that I am back you know where. Or I lose everything in my life, like it nearly happened.

HANG IN THERE BUDDY!

cryptasm · May 23, 2005

Give the Provigil / Modafinal a try...

Provigil / Modafinal is ok...not like speed or anything, I've tried adderal but get too amped from it...Modafinal just stops the sleepy feeling if you dont get a good nights sleep...I have OSA and use it when I need it... not everyday...From most reasarch i've read its safe, some claim liver toxic so I'd say to be safe take ur liver aids...also for most benifit if using milk thistle use the type that has siliphos in it...clinicly proven 10x stronger than standard milk thistle..

You won't get a stimulant effect from the madafinal /provigil you'll just all of a sudden realize that your not tireed anymore..

Someone else mentioned Deprenyl, that is a dopamine agonist.. works too...can help with depression...and mood elevation in alot of cases...but you have to be carefull mixing it with other chemicals.. even though its a weak MAO it still has some precautions...
http://www.antiaging-systems.com/ has info on both for you to check out...its a good site for info on alot of stuff...

Also try some Xanax for sleep, it'll help especially when you wake up from a bad dream and can't get back to sleep cause of panic or anxiety..

Good luck!!

vitor · May 23, 2005

I love the stuff. Take it on days I need to focus and have long road trips. Makes me alert, awake, and for some reason makes me feel good mentally.

IronMike · May 24, 2005

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Thanks for the info.

I'll look at giving some a go and where I can get my hands on some. Def don't want a genuine stimulant too much - I'm a coffee junkie and that's enough for me. Just want to battle the fatigue and elevate the mood a bit without feeling like I'm on anything.

Thanks again. Big A let me know if you give it a go and it works for you. IronMike (4 hours sleep last night.... zzz....)

vitor · May 24, 2005

I think a certain board sponsor below carries it, I think he is from China.

Big A · May 24, 2005

cryptasm said:
some claim liver toxic so I'd say to be safe take ur liver aids...also for most benifit if using milk thistle use the type that has siliphos in it...clinicly proven 10x stronger than standard milk thistle..

Also try some Xanax for sleep, it'll help especially when you wake up from a bad dream and can't get back to sleep cause of panic or anxiety..

Good luck!!

Great, that will go good with my d-bol - more stress on the liver.
Synthergine will destroy the milk thistle for liver protection properties.

I don't like xanax. As a matter of fact I don't like any brain drug as such for various reasons. And I have access to most everything due to my medical clinic/pharmacy.

Ironmike, I'm starting tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. I'll get you some, no problem. Just have to pay me the wholesalers cost.

cryptasm · May 24, 2005

Big A said:
Great, that will go good with my d-bol - more stress on the liver.
Synthergine will destroy the milk thistle for liver protection properties.

I don't like xanax. As a matter of fact I don't like any brain drug as such for various reasons. And I have access to most everything due to my medical clinic/pharmacy.

Good One!!!
Post how the Provigil works for ya.....
I use the synthergine too, along w Liv52 and Milk Thistle.. liver counts are always good...
Good Luck

hompie · May 24, 2005

Hey Big A!!

Big A said:
Yes, I know about pira and pram, but it's impossible to get here (aust) so I'm looking for other alternatives.
I've had a crap year, so I still get nightmares every night, I am mostly sleep deprived and depressed, and because of that I fall behind greatly in my work.

Sorry to hear you had a louzy year. Mine wasn't that great also. I dont have the nightmares but I do feel somewhat depressed and tired all day. I know what causes it though. Economy in Holland is very bad at the moment people dont wanna spend their money and we notice this at our gym also. So business isn't that great and we struggle to make a living. I have had the gym now for 16 years and I'm sure as hell not giving up! Better times will come again Im sure as it will for you.

Hompie

Big A · May 24, 2005

hompie said:
Sorry to hear you had a louzy year. Mine wasn't that great also. I dont have the nightmares but I do feel somewhat depressed and tired all day. I know what causes it though. Economy in Holland is very bad at the moment people dont wanna spend their money and we notice this at our gym also. So business isn't that great and we struggle to make a living. I have had the gym now for 16 years and I'm sure as hell not giving up! Better times will come again Im sure as it will for you.

Hompie

Hey Hompie! Good to hear from you. I'll email you shortly so we can catch up.
I'll be your way in November. Competing up there and also I am going to catch up with a buddy of mine. He owns the coffe shop that is accross the square from the main train station in Amsterdam. It has the logo of a pitbull.

hompie · May 24, 2005

Big A said:
Hey Hompie! Good to hear from you. I'll email you shortly so we can catch up.
I'll be your way in November. Competing up there and also I am going to catch up with a buddy of mine. He owns the coffe shop that is accross the square from the main train station in Amsterdam. It has the logo of a pitbull.

Is it called "the Bulldog"? Thats the most famous one in Amsterdam.
Just maybe you can honor me with a visit in my humble gym ;-)

Big A · May 25, 2005

hompie said:
Is it called "the Bulldog"? Thats the most famous one in Amsterdam.
Just maybe you can honor me with a visit in my humble gym ;-)

Love to.

Well, if you go to that coffee shop, the owner is a white haired guy, tanned skin, in his 50's. Go up to him and say 'Well, you see your honour, God loves the Dutch people!'. There's only one way that you could possibly know that, so tell him I said 'Hi'. LOL