Mr. O takes less than a gram

[dsteelo455]

i also know for a 100% verified fact that 'hyper responders' exist but they also either very often dont or nearly always eventually don't admit every single thing they and total amounts they are actually taking or just took, like to play dumb or uniformed, and especially like to see (and laugh to themselves and others later) that people actually believe them and their fake lack of knowledge etc etc..and this is even before any major endorsements, outside careers that drug use would jeopardize, etc and before big incentives to be a 'low dose' or totally natural...bottom line also is who cares what someone else does, most debaters should be at the gym instead of speculating.

 

[KillerStack]

I can't bear to watch the video but it's not completely true. There are genetic outliers but there are also averages and ranges everyone falls within. For example, who would believe a Mr O who says he has been at the highest at 200mg and no more? What if he's a genetic outliers? It's still not realistic from all we've seen.

Just a couple or few hundred milligrams is just not realistic for "the look" required these days. There are many creative ways of counting mgs that I've seen. Let's say a prepping bb is taking 100mg of Winstrol and 200mg of Proviron a day a couple of weeks out. He might still be regarded as a relative low doser by us if the injects are low. But say he talks to a nobody or gives an interview, is he going to say he often uses over 2 grams of orals a week? Hell no, some things don't count, only the dosing throughs count.

I'm on the opposite end of Biggerp as far as karma. I firmly believe that lying must be a very bad thing for your karma. Even pretty small things (though you can't tell the absolute truth all the time and live). Even things that "are for good purposes."
Very very bad LOL. You notice how many or most of us like people who we perceive as telling the truth and think liars are shit and bad people? We instinctually perceive the truth tellers as "good people" a lot of times, even when it comes to things like gear where there are perhaps some good reasons to to lie? Someone truth-telling raises our good will towards them which I'm convinced is some kind of karmic equivalent. As far as lying being good for steering kids the right way? You really think that can save some kids? I don't really and it might have the opposite effect. In my case it didn't help but I already understood the issue at 9 years old when I started reading the mags and them telling me that this or that particular bb didn't take any drugs unlike ALL the rest. There were several high profile guys like this in the 80s. But here on promuscle there are still questions by adults regarding the status of those guys so clearly the balonie works on some people. People even think O'Hearn might be natural. LOL I can hardly believe it but seems that they do.

 

[SOUR DIESEL]

ohhh boy ..another one of "these" threads

it's better to not talk about huge amounts, because impressionable people will copy you and the blood of their abuse, wrecked lives, etc, will be on your hands.

..just OMFG ◄& this is regardless if C-Butt is telling the truth or not


WTF ever happened to INDIVIDUAL responsibility & accountability for YOUR OWN decisions??

..is somebody else is ALWAYS to blame?? ..if not ..where is the line?? ..& who defines it??

..is "Jack Daniels" responsible for alcoholism?
..is the "Marlboro-Man" responsible for nicotine addiction?

i mean with that mentality you could pass-the-buck with anything
..RAPE?? ◄no problemo amigo ..just tell the judge that "Porno" made you really horny & is therefore responsible for making you a sexual-deviant


► reasoning like this is why TESTOSTERONE is a SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

(..which is ridiculous considering that everybody in the convicting-court, would test positive for it ..male or female)



^^^with this kind of "KAREN" thought process; ..is it even a wonder that we face the issues in society that we do today?

I love bodybuilding but truly believe the people pushing grams of gear who aren’t pro’s let alone at the top will give up a large portion of their life.

^^^sooo just to clarify;
..does that mean that people who are "pushing-the-envelope" BUT who ARE PRO'S &/or TOP COMPETITORs will NOT give up a LARGE PORTION of their lives??


..or did you mean to say that people who don't compete have no right to take grams??

^^^cuz that's a VERY slippery slope

..i mean if you'r not a race-car-driver then who hell do you think you are driving over the speed limit, right??


►►► I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR that i'm not saying that C-Bum (..or anyone else) should disclose their dose ..should NOT disclose their dose
..i'm not here to endorse grams as the means to your dream-body ..or not

..my whole point is that; YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOU ◄regardless of who says ..or admits what ..or anything else


"IF" somebody thinks that the only difference between them & Mr C-Bum is a few grams of gear
..then load the needle up & find out "IF" it's that important to them

▲▲▲ BUT BE RESPONSIBLE for the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS ..& DON'T THINK THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS TO BLAME

..if you fail; ACCEPT IT & everything that came with it

..bc you know damn-well that if you succeeded you would accept it ..& everything that came with it


.

 

[FIRE0808]

ohhh boy ..another one of "these" threads


..just OMFG ◄& this is regardless if C-Butt is telling the truth or not


WTF ever happened to INDIVIDUAL responsibility & accountability for YOUR OWN decisions??

..is somebody else is ALWAYS to blame?? ..if not ..where is the line?? ..& who defines it??

..is "Jack Daniels" responsible for alcoholism?
..is the "Marlboro-Man" responsible for nicotine addiction?

i mean with that mentality you could pass-the-buck with anything
..RAPE?? ◄no problemo amigo ..just tell the judge that "Porno" made you really horny & is therefore responsible for making you a sexual-deviant


► reasoning like this is why TESTOSTERONE is a SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

(..which is ridiculous considering that everybody in the convicting-court, would test positive for it ..male or female)



^^^with this kind of "KAREN" thought process; ..is it even a wonder that we face the issues in society that we do today?



^^^sooo just to clarify;
..does that mean that people who are "pushing-the-envelope" BUT who ARE PRO'S &/or TOP COMPETITORs will NOT give up a LARGE PORTION of their lives??


..or did you mean to say that people who don't compete have no right to take grams??

^^^cuz that's a VERY slippery slope

..i mean if you'r not a race-car-driver then who hell do you think you are driving over the speed limit, right??


►►► I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR that i'm not saying that C-Bum (..or anyone else) should disclose their dose ..should NOT disclose their dose
..i'm not here to endorse grams as the means to your dream-body ..or not

..my whole point is that; YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOU ◄regardless of who says ..or admits what ..or anything else


"IF" somebody thinks that the only difference between them & Mr C-Bum is a few grams of gear
..then load the needle up & find out "IF" it's that important to them

▲▲▲ BUT BE RESPONSIBLE for the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS ..& DON'T THINK THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS TO BLAME

..if you fail; ACCEPT IT & everything that came with it

..bc you know damn-well that if you succeeded you would accept it ..& everything that came with it


.

Well said brother. Well said

 

[KillerStack]

i also know for a 100% verified fact that 'hyper responders' exist but they also either very often dont or nearly always eventually don't admit every single thing they and total amounts they are actually taking or just took, like to play dumb or uniformed, and especially like to see (and laugh to themselves and others later) that people actually believe them and their fake lack of knowledge etc etc..and this is even before any major endorsements, outside careers that drug use would jeopardize, etc and before big incentives to be a 'low dose' or totally natural...bottom line also is who cares what someone else does, most debaters should be at the gym instead of speculating.

Exactly right, they play dumb and forget things, even when there is no good reason to lie. It's all a joke to them. And another type of example, several top pros endorse Mike O'Hearn's natural status. Do they believe this? Does Kevin Levrone believe O'Hearn never took anything? LOL, it's all a funny joke you can laugh about later but some guys actually believe them. They say, "why would pro x lie on behalf of someone else, there's no good incentive?"
The incentive is the joke, it's no big deal, funny haha.

Why am I even responding, why do we care? I don't know, we just do, otherwise these threads would get no replies.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

ohhh boy ..another one of "these" threads


..just OMFG ◄& this is regardless if C-Butt is telling the truth or not


WTF ever happened to INDIVIDUAL responsibility & accountability for YOUR OWN decisions??

..is somebody else is ALWAYS to blame?? ..if not ..where is the line?? ..& who defines it??

..is "Jack Daniels" responsible for alcoholism?
..is the "Marlboro-Man" responsible for nicotine addiction?

i mean with that mentality you could pass-the-buck with anything
..RAPE?? ◄no problemo amigo ..just tell the judge that "Porno" made you really horny & is therefore responsible for making you a sexual-deviant


► reasoning like this is why TESTOSTERONE is a SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

(..which is ridiculous considering that everybody in the convicting-court, would test positive for it ..male or female)



^^^with this kind of "KAREN" thought process; ..is it even a wonder that we face the issues in society that we do today?



^^^sooo just to clarify;
..does that mean that people who are "pushing-the-envelope" BUT who ARE PRO'S &/or TOP COMPETITORs will NOT give up a LARGE PORTION of their lives??


..or did you mean to say that people who don't compete have no right to take grams??

^^^cuz that's a VERY slippery slope

..i mean if you'r not a race-car-driver then who hell do you think you are driving over the speed limit, right??


►►► I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR that i'm not saying that C-Bum (..or anyone else) should disclose their dose ..should NOT disclose their dose
..i'm not here to endorse grams as the means to your dream-body ..or not

..my whole point is that; YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOU ◄regardless of who says ..or admits what ..or anything else


"IF" somebody thinks that the only difference between them & Mr C-Bum is a few grams of gear
..then load the needle up & find out "IF" it's that important to them

▲▲▲ BUT BE RESPONSIBLE for the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS ..& DON'T THINK THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS TO BLAME

..if you fail; ACCEPT IT & everything that came with it

..bc you know damn-well that if you succeeded you would accept it ..& everything that came with it


.

Yup. Spot on. WTF can't they all just say, "That's something I don't like to discuss," or "I'm not a part of all that." At least pretend for crying out loud. Or if you can't, at least be truthful and say, "As much as I could without it killing me." Because 99.99% of the time that's pretty much the truth.

 

[livinlean]

First of all, he's said he's run more "typical cycles in the past" so he's definitely built his muscle with higher doses.

He says he's on 200mg currently, but he also says at the beginning of the video he's going to "increase" doses as long as his health is on point.

Not saying he is, but he could easily be cruising on 200mg now and be on 2g leading up to the show, and not be lying in this video.

Exactly this. People in here rushing to respond without even watching/listening to the video SMH.

 

[livinlean]

 

[Biggerp73]

ohhh boy ..another one of "these" threads


..just OMFG ◄& this is regardless if C-Butt is telling the truth or not


WTF ever happened to INDIVIDUAL responsibility & accountability for YOUR OWN decisions??

..is somebody else is ALWAYS to blame?? ..if not ..where is the line?? ..& who defines it??

..is "Jack Daniels" responsible for alcoholism?
..is the "Marlboro-Man" responsible for nicotine addiction?

i mean with that mentality you could pass-the-buck with anything
..RAPE?? ◄no problemo amigo ..just tell the judge that "Porno" made you really horny & is therefore responsible for making you a sexual-deviant


► reasoning like this is why TESTOSTERONE is a SCHEDULE III CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

(..which is ridiculous considering that everybody in the convicting-court, would test positive for it ..male or female)



^^^with this kind of "KAREN" thought process; ..is it even a wonder that we face the issues in society that we do today?



^^^sooo just to clarify;
..does that mean that people who are "pushing-the-envelope" BUT who ARE PRO'S &/or TOP COMPETITORs will NOT give up a LARGE PORTION of their lives??


..or did you mean to say that people who don't compete have no right to take grams??

^^^cuz that's a VERY slippery slope

..i mean if you'r not a race-car-driver then who hell do you think you are driving over the speed limit, right??


►►► I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR that i'm not saying that C-Bum (..or anyone else) should disclose their dose ..should NOT disclose their dose
..i'm not here to endorse grams as the means to your dream-body ..or not

..my whole point is that; YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOU ◄regardless of who says ..or admits what ..or anything else


"IF" somebody thinks that the only difference between them & Mr C-Bum is a few grams of gear
..then load the needle up & find out "IF" it's that important to them

▲▲▲ BUT BE RESPONSIBLE for the CONSEQUENCES of YOUR ACTIONS ..& DON'T THINK THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS TO BLAME

..if you fail; ACCEPT IT & everything that came with it

..bc you know damn-well that if you succeeded you would accept it ..& everything that came with it


.

Tell me again who is the dramatic one

 

[rotinaj]

Tell me again who is the dramatic one

I start a conversation about responsible dosing and it turns into referencing rape, random diseases, typing in caps, and being called a Karen.
I think it hurt some feelings

 

[alfresco]

Does the word ‘dog pile’ mean anything?

Why does anybody care, AAS, what he takes? What he takes does not apply to you. What you take and how much you take and the results applies to you and you only.

All this speculation means nothing. He is unique like everybody else.

Leave him alone. He is not telling / advocating what people should take, is only sharing his experience. You can choose to believe or not believe it, it is that simple, very simple except restraining yourself from calling him a liar without proof.

I always ask myself . . . do you know it is true? And do you ABSOLUTELY know it is true? These simple questions have served me well in a variety of situations.

 

[Biggerp73]

I start a conversation about responsible dosing and it turns into referencing rape, random diseases, typing in caps, and being called a Karen.
I think it hurt some feelings

Yeah. For some reason he gets real worked up and dramatic when he sees my posts. In this case it appears his emotions prevented him from thinking rationally. Apparently he concluded that if I think one person has responsibility for something, that no one else can also be responsible for it as well.


"If you are saying that blood is on your hands for encouraging other people to be wreckless, then that means the people who act wreckless aren't themselves also responsible for their own actions."

That's not what I said, nor is that how logic works.

 

[rotinaj]

Does the word ‘dog pile’ mean anything?

Why does anybody care, AAS, what he takes? What he takes does not apply to you. What you take and how much you take and the results applies to you and you only.

All this speculation means nothing. He is unique like everybody else.

Leave him alone. He is not telling / advocating what people should take, is only sharing his experience. You can choose to believe or not believe it, it is that simple, very simple except restraining yourself from calling him a liar without proof.

I always ask myself . . . do you know it is true? And do you ABSOLUTELY know it is true? These simple questions have served me well in a variety of situations.

Why do we care what anyone takes?
If we don’t care to make observations, how can we come to an educated decision for a better outcome?
Choose to ignore lower dose users and cherry pick the information from people who use 5x as much to justify the same is called confirmation bias.
Choosing to avoid data that is applicable to your decision because you are not a direct subject in the observation is called willful ignorance.

The concepts by which someone can succeed without full blown abuse should be discussed but people rather listen other***** people rant about bodybuilders dieing and what additional*** drugs to take instead of adjusting primary doses to mitigate risk.

 

[Type-IIx]

It's technically not a lie to say "I take 200 mg" if you mean concentration (per mL) rather than total weekly dose.

 

[alfresco]

Why do we care what anyone takes?
If we don’t care to make observations, how can we come to an educated decision for a better outcome?
Choose to ignore lower dose users and cherry pick the information from people who use 5x as much to justify the same is called confirmation bias.
Choosing to avoid data that is applicable to your decision because you are not a direct subject in the observation is called willful ignorance.

The concepts by which someone can succeed without full blown abuse should be discussed but people rather listen other***** people rant about bodybuilders dieing and what additional*** drugs to take instead of adjusting primary doses to mitigate risk.

I get your point, and it is a good one.

But . . Do you know what other people are taking? Do you ‘ABSOUTLY’ know what others are taking? That is my point. Speculation is just that, speculation. And observations are just that, observations.

While our observations are based on others experiences (true or false?) and our own experiences than yes, we can all learn from others as long as long as we know it as being a fact.

 

[Cito33189]

I feel like there’s no end to this conversation.

If someone says they take a small amount they are lying.

If someone says they take a lot people tell them there gonna die.

Pros come off the shit and people crucify them for looking normal.

They stay on all year they are unhealthy.

Best advice anyone can take is worry about yourself and control what you can control.

 

[Bleed]

The majority of guys taking PEDS believe anyone who looks better and bigger than them must be taking more than they are.

The majority of guys who dont take PEDS believe anyone who looks better than they do are taking PEDS.

The majority of women who are jealous of other woman will always conclude it's fake tits, or any other "single" feature that most guys couldnt give a fuck about because hot is hot.

Delusion, denial, and self deception seem to simply be things that (most) humans commit to for a lifetime.

The reality is if Mr. O says hes taking 500mgs of test it could mean he's lying, that is what he is taking when he was asked last, or theres 500mg of pain in each of the cc's he injects.

People get angry because they see themselves working out 5 - 7 days a week, taking way more than some pros will admit to, they feel beat down, tired, and they're stagnating or going backwards despite all their efforts. It's completely psychological from what I can see. Sure, everyone hates bullshit artists, liars, frauds, deceivers, thiefs, and conmen, but just about everyone I know has fallen into one category or the other at some point. I'd have to yeet everyone right out of my life if I took them to task. The amount of unadulterated non-sensical bullshit I see and hear from people I personally know would drive me crazy if I let it. So I dont.

Just look at what's being said and if you find yourself getting bent out of shape or taking it personally more often than not, cut back on the tren because you arent doing yourself any favors.

 

[alfresco]

Well.. after 40 years in this game I can tell you one thing. Bodybuilders lie.. people lie.. lol.. but when it comes down to talking about illegal drugs ..

Reminds me of what doctors do when they ask you about you alcohol usage . . . They take your number and double it. (They know how people are.)

 

[johnjuanb1]

You ever notice the guys who are wreckless about talking about doing huge amounts always die as an example.

For the sake of divine karma, it's better to not talk about huge amounts, because impressionable people will copy you and the blood of their abuse, wrecked lives, etc, will be on your hands.

So just lie to protect others from their stupidity because the masses aren’t intelligent enough to hear the truth, do research, and come to their own conclusions about health and the risks involved with AAS use/abuse? This isn’t an attack on the person I'm replying to per se. This is me venting at all the lying cunts out there who self righteously think others are less intelligent than themselves, and too weak to make intelligent decisions. This is the crap I dealt with here many years ago when I told the truth on my dosing regimen: A. Because I was asked about it. B. I see lying as weak and pathetic. C. Lying to protect others is arrogant and self righteous.
If you can’t handle the truth, don’t ask the question!!!
Many who gave me shit for posting my true doses when asked were the same guys messaging my friends for gear advice and admitting they lie about they doses here because they fear being flamed. Pathetic!!!
This was 10 or 11 years ago. I hate liars! They’re cowards!

 

[Type-IIx]

So just lie to protect others from their stupidity because the masses aren’t intelligent enough to hear the truth, do research, and come to their own conclusions about health and the risks involved with AAS use/abuse? This isn’t an attack on the person I'm replying to per se. This is me venting at all the lying cunts out there who self righteously think others are less intelligent than themselves, and too weak to make intelligent decisions. This is the crap I dealt with here many years ago when I told the truth on my dosing regimen: A. Because I was asked about it. B. I see lying as weak and pathetic. C. Lying to protect others is arrogant and self righteous.
If you can’t handle the truth, don’t ask the question!!!
Many who gave me shit for posting my true doses when asked were the same guys messaging my friends for gear advice and admitting they lie about they doses here because they fear being flamed. Pathetic!!!
This was 10 or 11 years ago. I hate liars! They’re cowards!

My view is that the greatest service that one could provide to the community would be an objective, compound-specific risk/reward (tradeoff) itemized list. Nobody can truthfully place themselves in another's shoes and perform a risk/reward balancing on their behalf. This would be a considerable undertaking, and I am not proposing that anyone actually devote themself to the task per se; but merely observing that YouTubers and social media "harm reduction" experts and pro BBers alike are spinning fantastical claims to satisfy the algorithm at the expense of honesty.

Clearly, most are not fairly able to even identify the risks, rewards & rational objectives of the full spectrum of compounds in popular use. These "gurus" and "role models" are making a fortune off the knowledge gap that exists.

Aside from promoting an objective risk/reward profile for a compound, I believe it is pure arrogance for anyone to lie "to protect the sheep" - and a dishonest rationalization.