MUST READ....guys you can make ALOT of money.....

[BALDNAZI]

First off you guys know I do not endorse anything I have not used or believe in.Part of the reason why I am respected by you guys is because Im not politicaly correct about anything,I don't give a shit,I call it how I see it.

I read a post by long time vet Armageddon about a money making opportunity.As everyone else,I was curious but skeptical.I decided to look at the websites,do some research,and finally speak to him and his partner on the phone.I came away with a very good impression about this company.

The products they are affiliated with are not bullshit ebooks,or adsense or whatever else MLM companys do.There is no huge cash outlay,not downloads to buy,no inventory,no drop shipping,nothing to sell but services people use everyday and the opportunity to be in business for themselves.

After I gave them a chance to explain everything I decided to give it a try.This company is the most unique in the industry.They have partnered with huge companies like Disney,Cingular,Sprint,Dish Network,the list goes on and on....things people are familiar with and use everyday.

I am doing well,my Real Estate career is going very well,but there is something about a commision based business that I worry about,no security.I like what I do but if there was something else I could do on the side that runs almost on its own and makes me money why not give it a try???

Here are the websites you need to visit...

www.whyfortunenow.com

Live web seminars....

and www.teamextremeweb.com

And finally there is a number to call 212-990-6461...it gives about 10 minutes worth of explanation.

This company is growing rapidly and its main guy is Paul Oberson,most respected MLM guy I know of.The company has a tier 1 credit rating with Dunn&Bradstreet,registered with the BBB,and has ZERO debt.Rated #1 by Fox News and Forbes magazine.

This is legit guys, and we can all get in on the ground floor and form a team,a professional muscle team geared to getting jacked and making money.What do you have to lose?Give it a shot.

When your ready my website is in my sig,you can sign up there and get started.Thanks for your time brothers,I want us all to make money..bottomline.

WWW.FHTMUS.COM/BJSMILOVICH

 

[BALDNAZI]

At the very least

If you are not interested in becoming a rep,then by all means no problem.But at the very least since I am involved in selling products you guys use anyway,definetly check the website and purchase these things through me.Our prices are the same if not better then average.

How many guys need cell phones?
Who wants to extend their plan?
Anyone signing up for Dish Network or XM radio?
Anyone need their own website?
Magazine subscriptions?
Internet phone?
Discount vitamins?

Come on guys,I'm looking to grow something here,and I could use all the help I can get.

 

[balla06]

how much is all this stuff? i have always wanted to try these things out but i jus dont ever understand them and i need someone to explain it all to me

is this like the internet cash empire site at the bottom of the page thats listed as a sponsor here?

 

[BALDNAZI]

balla

Before getting into specifics just watch the video at
www.whyfortunenow.com

.... it will explain EVERYTHING for you.If you still have questions after that let me know.

 

[Armageddon]

This is a ground floor oppurtunity for many in this community to be the first to bring this to there area. I am a huge skeptic of everyone and everything. It took me 4 months to make this decision. That 4 months cost me about $7,500. I know that's not a fortune by no means. But it's $7,500 extra that I would have made, with less than 40hrs worth of work. How many guys here putin 40hrs and make $7,500? I bet Less than %5, while the other %95 of the people are doing all the work. We need to find a way to leverage our money. There are only 2 ways to do that. 1) is investments: hard to invest something you don't have, right. 2) is residual income: money that is coming in hour after hour day after day. We don't make money when, unless we have something in place that's bringing it in for us. Like the straight shooter above said do us a favor and at least check it out. THe www.whyfortunenow.com web site can answer any possible question that you have. Thanks Fellas Armageddon

 

[hiddenbelow]

Can you provide more info as to the cost of start up. Or a link to where the different option levels are to start. During the video it talked about being a trainer by paying 300 extra to start. Basically can you give me a link with all the values of the different levels of starting up.

Thanks

 

[BALDNAZI]

$299

Thats your initial startup.You make that back as soon as you sign up a few people plus they give you $200 extra.The beauty of the system is that you can make money regardless if you recruit or not,But getting a team together is definitely the way to maximize your profits.Give it a shot brother.

Do you know somebody that uses a cell phone or watches TV? Exactly,everyone you know,take advantage of that and have them buy services through you!!!!!Its a no brainer money maker....

 

[marbalizer99]

BN I'm kind of surprised to see you doing this, along with Arm. Because I respect you guys I went ahead and made a long post with what I thought when I first saw Arm and then BN get into this....

Here is the way I see it, if you can convince people to buy stuff under you or sign up under you, you will make money, otherwise you will not. Also, with SOME PRODUCTS (I only looked at one) you probably shouldn't sell to friends for family because you aren't getting them the best deals, as I found out (see below).

Here is the problem, I went with the first product I thought I would consider getting, Dish Network. Here is Fortune's costs:

**broken link removed**

COMPARISON
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DishFamily:
Fortune: $19.99/mo (add $5 for local channels)
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME

America's Top 100
Fortune: $29.99/mo (add $5 for local channels)
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME PLUS $100 MAIL IN REBATE

America's Top 200
Fortune: $42.99/mo (add $5 for local channels)
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME PLUS $100 MAIL IN REBATE

America's Top 250
Fortune: $52.99/mo (add $5 for local channels)
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME PLUS $100 MAIL IN REBATE

Dish HD:
Fortune: $20/mo
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME PLUS $100 MAIL IN REBATE FOR HD

Movie Channels
HBO
Fortune: $14.99
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME BUT FREE FOR 3 MONTHS

Others (Showtime, Cinemax, Starz)
Fortune: $12.99/mo each
Directly from DishNetwork: SAME BUT FREE FOR 3 MONTHS

So with Fortune you aren't getting the promo deals. If one were to signup for a plan and get HD they would get $200 rebate, or $100 if they didn't get the HD. You would also get one of the movie channels free for 3 months dealing directly with Dish.


My only other problem is, there are ways to become an affiliate through DishNetwork and various other companies. Why pay $300 so you can be an affiliate, just research a little. For example, some credit cards pay $50-$100 per person you get to sign up and become approved. I bet I could setup an MLM and charge you $300 to join and then have you sell those same cards that you could sign up for free to be an affiliate for and give you a percentage of the commission and keep the other part for myself whenever you get someone to signup.


If I am wrong about anything please let me know. I have no problem learning more but the way I see it your paying to become an affiliate to sell products you could become an affiliate for on your own. And you are to sell the products for worse prices than one could get them for already (note: only DishNetwork prices compared).


One last thing, like I said at the beginning you CAN make money with an MLM assuming it stays around. I read this somewhere else and I think it sums up MLM's pretty good:

And if people understood and were taught correctly that MLM is a 3-5 year game plan at best, then maybe they would not jump in and be gone in 3 months. You do have to work hard. Would you open a Starbucks around the corner and then go to work and not stop by your shop later that night to make sure it is being run correctly? Would you even be able to KEEP a job and START a Starbucks at the same time? But people jump into MLM and skip days or weeks at a time working their business and expect success.

And lastly...building a network is the whole business.. just like starting a small business and hoping to one day franchise it for small royalties off what that person does in their business.. same concept.. you build a business, franchise it and they franchise it and so on and you make a small residual off their customer base..

Everyone needs to do their own research before entering a business venture (like BN said, he called Arm). Here is the second link that popped up on google when I searched this MLM:
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Seriously ignore the name of the website, there are 6 pages of people discussing MLM's both pro's and con's. There are probably more educated pro posts in the thread than con.

IF you read this far I have one recommendation. See how many people you could get to signup for this BEFORE you join. Treat it like you already signed up and tell them you can get them the link to signup later but show them all the videos and such (maybe tell them a $10 down payment reserves their spot for $299 or whatever it costs...then go home and signup with all the $10 deposits you made). I have a friend that signed up for one of these in HS only to find out he couldn't get ANYBODY to signup under him. He practically called my entire graduating class.

 

[marbalizer99]

One last quote from yahoo.com

Is it legal? yes. Is it a legitimate buisness? Thats really for you decide as far as your personal business ethics and standards. Basically you sign up with an upline guy who puts you on his team. You then turn around and "market" products they offer and try to sign up people under you, to market the products they "sell" . Apparently you receive residual income from the products and services that you represent through their company, like cell phone and sattelite services Now with this company the most emphasis is placed on recruiting representatives. According to the better buisness bureau if " the plan focuses more on recruiting others than on selling products or services" you should avoid investing in this buisness.

In my opinion: Fortune is great for those who don't mind looking at their friends and family as dollar signs. You can probably make a boatload of money down the road somewhere if you invest in a lot of time and money in order to build up your "downline". But in reality, the majority of educated business professionals realize that this is a classic pyramid scheme.

There is no easy road to wealth. With Multi Level Marketing those at the top of the *ahem* pyramid, will make alot of money on the backs of those who will pay the $299 initial fee and other costs. Eventually, the number of people in any given area will begin to be saturated, and those willing to sign up will decrease. I live in a larger metro area and have been approached several times by fortune reps trying to get me to sign up. Not in any of their pitches, was the marketing of products offered emphasized as much as recruitment.

 

[Goldberg]

hi guy's. i haven't really researched the fortunenow being discussed, but have been involved in MLM now for 8 months, and am very happy with how its going, i totally agree with marbalizer, its definatly a 3 - 5 year plan, and takes effort, you really need to step up and be a leader to succeed, if done correctly network maketing teaches some very valuable skillsw, such as:

An attitude of success; leadership skills; communication skills; people skills; overcoming personal fears, doubts and lack of confidence; overcoming fear of rejection; money management skills; investing skills; accountability skills; time management skills; goal setting; systemization.

 

[marbalizer99]

I love business and reading about it which is why I have no problem making long posts here and reading what others contribute. I don't want anyone to take my post as anti Fortune Hi-Tech, as it is just a collection of information that I put together after reading BN's post. Honestly, the one thing that scares me most about graduating college is the fact that I'm worried with all the other responsibilities and bills I won't be able to put time or money into starting some of my own business ventures. If someone see's a way to make money with this venture, then research it and if you feel the same way, then go for it.

 

[Armageddon]

I doubt you can go and start up any MLM that easily. But I can call the company and match anything that they do! That's how that is fixed, plus I get the money for signing them up and then the magic works. The residual income, I get a portion of that bill forever as long as they pay it. I don't see there incentive programs doing that. I maybe wrong, but I don't think so. Plus I know have more right offs than ever. I get to write off all the services that I use, plus the intial $299 as it's a franchise fee. I write off a portion of my home as it's a home based office, my mileage, gas, portion of my car, my meals. By working for someone else you can't really do that, or not nearly as much. That alone makes it worth it right there. Fortune 500 magazine said that everyone in america should join some sort of MLM every 3 years for the write offs alone. Not being interested is one thing, but don't let pride and ignorance keep ya broke. It kept me broke for a long time. I've seen many of these MLM come and go and take people for a ride. This however will be one of those that makes millionares, like Xcel did. The problem with Xcel was the share holders got greedy and took the company public and it crashed. I don't see DISNEY getting involved with anything that isn't going to make them look good. It's the 3rd most recognized business name in the world.

 

[Armageddon]

In my opinion: Fortune is great for those who don't mind looking at their friends and family as dollar signs. You can probably make a boatload of money down the road somewhere if you invest in a lot of time and money in order to build up your "downline". But in reality, the majority of educated business professionals realize that this is a classic pyramid scheme.

There is no easy road to wealth. With Multi Level Marketing those at the top of the *ahem* pyramid, will make alot of money on the backs of those who will pay the $299 initial fee and other costs. Eventually, the number of people in any given area will begin to be saturated, and those willing to sign up will decrease. I live in a larger metro area and have been approached several times by fortune reps trying to get me to sign up. Not in any of their pitches, was the marketing of products offered emphasized as much as recruitment.


Recruitment is the way to maximize your money but the residual will payout forever as long as theypay there bills. People can see it for what it is and determine. The negative people look at it as seeing friends and family as dollar signs, but there not. People that aren't open minded and want willing to explore financially genereally don't look into it. Believe it or not but they just did a seminar with the NFL and several of there players and coaches signed upon the spot. They (the NFL) told the players that this is on of the safest waysto invest there money at this time. Steve Marriucci, Barry Switzer, and DE of the Vikings Erasmus James just came aboard. There are many high profile people looking into this. Donald Trump has even talked with Fortune Reps and is looking into this. Say what ya want, I'm at the meeting and see the people coming in. I've always been here for this community and the people in it, I've always tried to use my best jugdement with all of you. Many have helped me here personally, financially, socially, and emotionally. I don't have much, and I'm trying to give back to those that have given to me. I've already lost out on a good portion of income because I was a skeptic, I don't want others to follow in my shoes. I would never have brought this here if I din't think it was a good idea.

 

[marbalizer99]

Arm I have a question about the residual income. When researching Fortune I read two things but couldn't find much info on Fortune's website about residual payouts or additional fees.

1: You have to pay a yearly fee in addition to the $299 to collect residual income.
2: You never see the residual payments from Fortune

Do you know anything about the first and do you know anyone that can disprove the second?


EDIT: Forgot to mention, that's awesome you can pricematch the DishNetwork deals. I couldn't find anything about pricematching either on the Fortune website but I also didn't watch the videos, so if it's in the video's that is completely my fault. To be honest, the reason I didn't watch the video's is because I was looking for objective reviews/information and the video's are made to get people to join so watching those really isn't a great way to research the company, in my opinion.

EDIT2: I know I couldn't start up an MLM that easily and I have no desire to start an MLM. I wonder, if someone that was successful (i.e. put in a lot of work) with an MLM would have put the same amount of hard work into starting an MLM, how much more money they would have made. Dish and Disney are nice, but if you can make $50-$100 for a single credit card approval, hmm $$$ I know when I lived on campus I would get 1-2 credit card applications per semester in my mailbox, I don't know how people got my address (of course I do, the school sold my info) but imagine sending 10,000 credit card applications out. Say only 2% of the people respond, thats 200 people, only half of them get approved, 100 people x $50 = $5000. 2x a semester, 2 semesters = $20k/year. Maybe do that to 2 or 3 other colleges in the area and your looking at a good amount of money. Now you got people interested because the people around you see your cash flow, the credit card companies see your pulling in a bunch of college students (which they love), you can set up some sort of agreement with the company, call some lawyers, research an MLM, and you could have something going. Obviously typing it out is a lot easier than doing it and it would take a lot of work, more than I am willing to put in for this type of venture. Time to stop rambling

 

[BALDNAZI]

Skepticism

I am the worlds biggest skeptic. I believe that nothing is what it seems. I am cynical to the point of sickness,I just don't believe anything or anyone. Yet,I believed in this system enough to give it a shot. In my eyes that says alot.

Marbalizer,you are asking valid questions, but the point of Arm and I posting this up is simple. We are a brotherhood here, a community.Many of us have known each other for years. Don't you think if a group of us from Promuscle created a team using Fortune, that we wouldnt be a success??

Think about it, Pro Muscle gets 65 million hits a month. If a fraction of people got onboard, you don't think we could make it happen? I believe if enough of us got together on this, supported each other,then we really have a chance to make a boatload of cash.

Thats what I invision...a team made up of Pro Muscle guys pushing this concept and really producing something great.Does anyone agree with me?

 

[marbalizer99]

BN, that is kind of the problem that I see with this and PM. You have Arm, and now you in this business.

Who does "joe smith" signup under, and then after he signs up, who's going to signup under him when you and Arm are the ones who introduced this? Is everyone that signs up supposed to make a new thread about this on here so they get exposure (how else would anyone on PM signup under them)? For example, if I chose to signup, I would choose a vet to signup under, and since you made the most recent post I would choose you but who would signup under me?

EDIT: I'm starting to feel like I'm acting like an a$$ in this thread so I'm going to stop "rebutting" so to speak, the business. I think I've presented my research and that was my only intention when posting in this thread. Good luck to you guys.

 

[gassy]

I'm interested in this sort of thing, what does one do on daily basis? do you just solicit people you know to buy things? and the big payoff is when you sign someone up under you to do the same thing? I knew someone who did something similar to this and he really just alienated his friends and family till he gave it up, every social event became a sales opportunity for him(really poor taste) Is there a way to do this and not make friends feel obligated? Money is important, but not as important as family and friends!

 

[Goldberg]

Iv'e been asked the question "have you lost any friends doing this" many times, and the truth is the answer is no, i still have all my friends plus a whole heap of new one's.
You really have to believe what you have is a real opportunity, and you want to share what you have with people, you can't go round trying to push this on people, it will alienate them, its really about attracting people to you by the person you are, it takes leadership and dedication to succeed in the mlm industry,

Wealth is hidden from those who want to do it all themselves, wealth exposes itself to those patient enough to train others.

 

[Armageddon]

Arm I have a question about the residual income. When researching Fortune I read two things but couldn't find much info on Fortune's website about residual payouts or additional fees.

1: You have to pay a yearly fee in addition to the $299 to collect residual income.
Yes the is but it's smaller and tax deductable

2: You never see the residual payments from Fortune
I can show checks that come every month. Even checks on months that you don't sign people up on.

Do you know anything about the first and do you know anyone that can disprove the second?
I believe I just did.

There are plenty of ways to do it without alienating family. My mom thinks it's a great idea and has a family phone package from it. It has to be a good upfront company. A good service and well planned timing. Then education in a setting and style that makes one comfortable.

 

[Armageddon]

There's almost 500 views and there's no more questions than this? If there's Q's or something about this I want to hear them. Maybe I can answer them, maybe it will help teach me more about business.