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New Anabolics

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Do you think they will ever find another compound that is equal to say test, or dbol? Is all the research done as far as this goes? I was just wondering because you know all of these supplement companies are spending millions on research. If they did discover such a substance, it would be legal for a while, like andro was.

I guess they've done all the exploring there is to do inside the human anatomy.
 
The next big break though will be in stem cell research, regardless of what the religious right says; Stem cell is the cure for most all diseases.
 
Yes and they will be genetic altering drugs.

I agree with this I remeber seeing some documentry about this with bovines I may be wrong but im pretty sure i remember the documentry had some doctor or scientist on there and he was saying he could or it is possible to do the modifying on humans
 
I think myostatin blockers will be the next big thing.

Yeh this is right and tbh it scares me. One because if they're legal, they would quickly become very mainstream and it would be much harder to be set apart as a real trainer who puts effort and years of work in from a myostatin user. Burn fat/massive muscle gains without lifting a finger, they'd never meet demand no matter how many they made. We've all seen the whippet/bovine/mouse pics, if they turn out to be safe they'll run rampant among high schoolers just like gear allready has. You'll get a situation where every third highschool graduate is 230lbs at 6% BF, half of them never having been in a gym.

Two it might remove all limits as per mass. What these things do without touching a weight is crazy, what's it gonna do to a guy who lifts everyday and runs 1g/week gear cycles on top? It could just be explosions of mass greater than any amount of anadrol. It may simply become a case of how far is a guy willing to push his heart will determine how big he wants to be and his myostatin dose.

It could cripple the gym industry. If a guy has trained his ass off for 5 years to be a lean 220, and he ends up looking the same as a guy taking a decent MS blocker dose for 12 months, and the MS guys looks just as good, the real guy is gonna go fuck this, why waste my time and get no credit for it.

There's a long way to go, and alot of variables to consider, but Id say it's a safe bet sooner of later these things will be available. If they're legal, it'll turn the industry on its head like nothing in history. If not, we'll still see rampant use through schools and black market trade.
 
I agree with some points made above but i doubt most high school kids will be able to afford it as this stuff will be costing an absolute fortune me thinks.
 
Do you think they will ever find another compound that is equal to say test, or dbol? Is all the research done as far as this goes? I was just wondering because you know all of these supplement companies are spending millions on research. If they did discover such a substance, it would be legal for a while, like andro was.

I guess they've done all the exploring there is to do inside the human anatomy.

YES, we already have..look at tetrahydrogestrinone (THG, also known as "the clear"), if that wasn't ratted out by Trevor Graham we wouldhave never known..if that is out there are other that are still "secret".

The next decade is going to be all about gene doping. just read the following to get an idea of how big this is, and don't forget, if it is in the media, then it has already been in use for at least 5-10 years secretly in experimentation....THAT's scary.

(this push was started in 2001)


"Gene doping", especially in the context of bioethical debates about human enhancement.[1] An example of gene doping could involve the recreational use of gene therapies intended to treat muscle-wasting disorders. Many of these chemicals may be indistinguishable from their natural counterparts. In such cases, nothing unusual would enter the bloodstream so officials would detect nothing in a blood or urine test.

The historical development of policy associated with gene doping began in 2001 when the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Medical Commission met to discuss the implications of gene therapy for sport. It was shortly followed by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which met in 2002 to discuss genetic enhancement at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York. Also in 2002, the United States President’s Council on Bioethics met twice to discuss the ethics of genetic technology related to sport. In 2003, WADA decided to include a prohibition of gene doping within their World Anti-Doping Code, which is formalized in its 2004 World Anti-Doping Code. Further, the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) met in 2003 and 2004 to discuss the science and ethics of gene transfer technology for sport.

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has already asked scientists to help find ways to prevent gene therapy from becoming the newest means of doping. In December 2005, the World Anti-Doping Agency hosted its second landmark meeting on gene doping, which took place in Stockholm. At this meeting, the delegates drafted a declaration on gene doping which, for the first time, included a strong discouragement of the use of genetic testing for performance.

The first product to be associated with genetic doping emerged on the approach to the Turin 2006 Olympic Winter Games, where repoxygen was discussed as a possible substance in use at the Games.

In a 2004 article:

Sports authorities fear that a new form of doping will be undetectable and thus much less preventable. Treatments that regenerate muscle, increase its strength, and protect it from degradation will soon be entering human clinical trials for muscle-wasting disorders. Among these are therapies that give patients a synthetic gene, which can last for years, producing high amounts of naturally occurring muscle-building chemicals.

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AND the BEST FOR LAST:

Excerpt from a newsweek article:

"A German television report on the availability of gene doping in China, which aired just a few days before the Olympics, stunned anti-doping experts. In the documentary by ARD television, a reporter posing as an American swimming coach met with a doctor who is the head of the gene-therapy department of an unnamed Chinese hospital. The hidden-camera report shows the Chinese doctor, with his face blurred, offering gene-therapy treatment to the undercover reporter in return for $24,000. The reporter tells the doctor he's seeking stem-cell treatment for one of his swimmers. "Yes. We have no experience with athletes here, but the treatment is safe and we can help you," the doctor replies (his answer was translated by the news program). "It strengthens lung function and stem cells go into the bloodstream and reach the organs. It takes two weeks. I recommend four intravenous injections—40 million stem cells or double that, the more the better. We also use human growth hormones, but you have to be careful because they are on the doping list," the Chinese doctor says. "
http://www.newsweek.com/id/151988


It's out there...you can bet on it.
 
I think there is gonna be some insane shit to come in the future.Im looking forward to when they master the myostatin blocking process.
 
The supplement companies are doing a good thing.

For example, Superdrol is now acknowledged by many as the king of orals for actual lean gains that you can keep. Born in November, 2004.

Another new thing - which likely isn't greater than testosterone, obviously - is the prostanozol cypionate. Basically winny without that 17-alpha alkylation, and an ester. Interestingly it behaves a lot like winny without the liver toxicity so it is far from a useless product. I haven't seen it in any actual LAB though.

There's also unmethylated anavar with an ester, something that has not been done AFAIK yet. Same with oral turinabol, remove the 17-alpha alkyl and put an ester at 17-beta.

There are literally millions of possible AAS, some of which are deadly in tiny doses, and others will possibly surpass Tren as the king of AAS someday.
 
AAS are obsolete right now!!!!
Off the top of my head
1. S.A.R.M.S...already developed. trials now
2. Myostatin blockers - add 50 pounds of muscle and lose 20 pounds of fat eating mcdonalds.
 
AAS are obsolete right now!!!!
Off the top of my head
1. S.A.R.M.S...already developed. trials now
2. Myostatin blockers - add 50 pounds of muscle and lose 20 pounds of fat eating mcdonalds.

1. SARMS will be riddled with terrible side-effects, believe me.
2. If we can be sure about the cardiovascular effects, this will probably be worthwhile.
 
1. SARMS will be riddled with terrible side-effects, believe me.
2. If we can be sure about the cardiovascular effects, this will probably be worthwhile.

I've been reading that users of sarms are expierencing vision problems. That is scary. The probs go away a few days after they continue use. Im sure people who use it now and then will be fine, but long term users are asking for trouble.
 
2. If we can be sure about the cardiovascular effects, this will probably be worthwhile.

The day these things work is the day any joe-blo on the street can look as good as you without any of the work you put in. You really wanna see that day?

Fortunetly, MYO-029 was an epic fail, so it's a little while off yet. With any luck, MSB will be post our time, and we can look back at pictures of ourselves and say "We looked like this before MSB's were ever invented, and it was actually worth something to look like this back then"
 
The day these things work is the day any joe-blo on the street can look as good as you without any of the work you put in. You really wanna see that day?

Fortunetly, MYO-029 was an epic fail, so it's a little while off yet. With any luck, MSB will be post our time, and we can look back at pictures of ourselves and say "We looked like this before MSB's were ever invented, and it was actually worth something to look like this back then"

Aw fuck. Damn.
 

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