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Not sure if there is a thread about this yet but I find it very interesting and worth while due to it making a lot of sense.
Start Minute 8:50
Also a good Info off another forum. I will definitely be trying this next blast.
~Some things are a tradition because, well, theyre a tradition. We do things because thats the way its been done and getting outside of that zone is hard. That mentality is very, very present in the world of steroids. And were all guilty of it in one form or another.
So today I posit a theorybased on some simple science and general observationsthat almost everyone who uses oral steroids is simply doing it wrong.
How many times has this cycle been run:
Im running test e 500mg/w for 12 weeks, with 50mg dbol the first four weeks as a kickstart
That cycle has been done to death. And its just flat out stupid. Its based on little more than the visual effects of the dbol, which can be dramatic those first few weeks. But what are you actually getting? Water and glycogen, right?
But the test takes a while to kick in, so I wanted to get going right away
Get going with what, exactly? You think you are putting on muscle by week two? You think thats what that is? You think that by week two your test levels arent already supraphysiological? Because they are. No, you havent hit that peak point where youre going to stay at for the duration of the cycle, but youre way beyond where you were an hour before your first pin. What youve done is front-loaded strength gains, which are temporary on dbol, and youve added a lot of messy weight that will not be there two months from now. By the time your test has fully engaged youre not that much further ahead in terms of actual muscle growth. Know when you will be in a great position to use an oral like dbol?
The end of your cycle.
Think about it for a moment. Whats the point of running a test cycle? More muscle, right? In your experience, how many guys put on real, quality muscle in four weeks? If someone came on here and said they were running a four week test prop cycle what would be the response? Wed tell him that four weeks isnt long enough to make it worth it. So why are those four weeks different than the ones Im talking about? (Hint: theyre not)
The best youll ever be on cycle is towards the end. After youve been grinding for 10 weeks, eating well, training hard, and putting on appreciable size, your body is getting used to this new paradigm. And then like a thief in the night it is stolen away. The injections stop, the half-lives start to dissipate, and then pct begins. Those last few weeks are underutilized by almost everyone Ive ever seen here or any other forum. So why keep doing it that way?
Thats the way its been done
I propose instead a cycle with an oral that makes use of your time and your personal momentum in a better, smarter way.
Weeks 1-12
Test E 500mg/w
Weeks 10-14
Dbol 20mg/d
Weeks 14-18
PCT
Notice that the dbol continues after the test has stopped? Know why? Because its so fucking stupid to stop everything, wait two weeks, then hope like Hell that you can hold onto what you gained after pct is over. Those two weeks where youre not pinning are wasted by almost every single person whos ever run a cycle. Your testosterone levels are dropping as the half-lives are cycled through. You go from on top of the world to 87 year old man in those two weeks (probably closer to three, honestly, but whos counting?). Rather than accept that condition you could be using that oralin this example dbolto maintain some size and strength as you coast into pct. Wouldnt it be nice to spend another two weeks at high levels of performance in order to let that new muscle keep being worked? It certainly would be better than simply rolling into pct on fumes, as your test levels hit zero, and hoping that your recovery doesnt cost you too much of what you just earned.
Youre stronger and more muscular at the end of a cycle than at the beginning, so stop trying to use orals to make fake gains at the start and instead try to hold on to what youve got at the end.
Start Minute 8:50
~Some things are a tradition because, well, theyre a tradition. We do things because thats the way its been done and getting outside of that zone is hard. That mentality is very, very present in the world of steroids. And were all guilty of it in one form or another.
So today I posit a theorybased on some simple science and general observationsthat almost everyone who uses oral steroids is simply doing it wrong.
How many times has this cycle been run:
Im running test e 500mg/w for 12 weeks, with 50mg dbol the first four weeks as a kickstart
That cycle has been done to death. And its just flat out stupid. Its based on little more than the visual effects of the dbol, which can be dramatic those first few weeks. But what are you actually getting? Water and glycogen, right?
But the test takes a while to kick in, so I wanted to get going right away
Get going with what, exactly? You think you are putting on muscle by week two? You think thats what that is? You think that by week two your test levels arent already supraphysiological? Because they are. No, you havent hit that peak point where youre going to stay at for the duration of the cycle, but youre way beyond where you were an hour before your first pin. What youve done is front-loaded strength gains, which are temporary on dbol, and youve added a lot of messy weight that will not be there two months from now. By the time your test has fully engaged youre not that much further ahead in terms of actual muscle growth. Know when you will be in a great position to use an oral like dbol?
The end of your cycle.
Think about it for a moment. Whats the point of running a test cycle? More muscle, right? In your experience, how many guys put on real, quality muscle in four weeks? If someone came on here and said they were running a four week test prop cycle what would be the response? Wed tell him that four weeks isnt long enough to make it worth it. So why are those four weeks different than the ones Im talking about? (Hint: theyre not)
The best youll ever be on cycle is towards the end. After youve been grinding for 10 weeks, eating well, training hard, and putting on appreciable size, your body is getting used to this new paradigm. And then like a thief in the night it is stolen away. The injections stop, the half-lives start to dissipate, and then pct begins. Those last few weeks are underutilized by almost everyone Ive ever seen here or any other forum. So why keep doing it that way?
Thats the way its been done
I propose instead a cycle with an oral that makes use of your time and your personal momentum in a better, smarter way.
Weeks 1-12
Test E 500mg/w
Weeks 10-14
Dbol 20mg/d
Weeks 14-18
PCT
Notice that the dbol continues after the test has stopped? Know why? Because its so fucking stupid to stop everything, wait two weeks, then hope like Hell that you can hold onto what you gained after pct is over. Those two weeks where youre not pinning are wasted by almost every single person whos ever run a cycle. Your testosterone levels are dropping as the half-lives are cycled through. You go from on top of the world to 87 year old man in those two weeks (probably closer to three, honestly, but whos counting?). Rather than accept that condition you could be using that oralin this example dbolto maintain some size and strength as you coast into pct. Wouldnt it be nice to spend another two weeks at high levels of performance in order to let that new muscle keep being worked? It certainly would be better than simply rolling into pct on fumes, as your test levels hit zero, and hoping that your recovery doesnt cost you too much of what you just earned.
Youre stronger and more muscular at the end of a cycle than at the beginning, so stop trying to use orals to make fake gains at the start and instead try to hold on to what youve got at the end.