OT: Monogamy, Ego, Hormones

[Beti ona]

I've always wondered how much of that is "maturity" and how much of that is really just men getting old and losing their hormones and drive lol. I've said this a lot in the past, probably doesn't apply to you but a lot of these guys who got fat, bald, have half the testosterone they used to, etc talking about how they've "settled down".

As you get older you are weaker and have less vitality, you have less desire to go out, and you are also less desirable for the opposite sex because girls have many guys like you 10 years ago. So, this situation pushes the majority to want to remain calm and unless there is a situation of a porn movie, an unreal situation.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

I date women like that casually, typically having other women around if I feel the need

I don't want kids. Never really have, and I think it is immoral to have kids if you are not absolutely certain that you can give them a better life than the one you had. The boomers certainly failed miserably in this regard, and I would hate to live my life knowing that I did the same. I don't want to bring children into this world so they can occupy a cubicle and slave their lives away hoping to be able to afford rent.

I believe that the US is on the decline due to demographic shifting, and will only be going downhill from here.

Regarding marriage and divorce, men think they only lose half... But that's just at first. In some states, alimony becomes permanent after 10 years of marriage.

She also will likely get custody of the children.

You may very well end up like my latest client - having his wife cut him in half, take his kids, and his house, and he may very well have to cut her a tax-free check every 2 weeks for the rest of her life.

Maybe he thinks it was worth it, who knows.

What do you mean you "date women like that".....like what? Non-virgins? Are you actually saying you would only take seriously a girl who has never "given it up for free" i.e. a virgin? Or perhaps you want a prostitute since she at least charged for it...

You're a smart guy Slice but you really seem to have a legitimate complex. You're still avoiding tell me what you want in a long term partnership, you've said in this thread and others you want a meaningful long term relationship but haven't specified what you want in a girl

You date a girl casually and then have girls on the side and seem to be surprised that the girl eventually gets weird about it or "crazy". As an example, my girl has never seemed even the slightest bit crazy in the many years we've known each other. Not even a hint of it, even when I said I wanted a non-legal marriage. Then I bring up this summer I'm questioning our relationship and might want to be with other women and lo and behold she had a hint of crazy....because of me. I have almost never been a crazy bf type, very logical/objective, but craziness was brought out in me once by a super shitty girl. I can't imagine any woman being satisfied dating you long term with your views.

And again, I'm not talking about legal marriage at all here so don't reply with facts about how horrible divorce is. I'm talking about a long term monogamous partner that you take seriously and is a life partner.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

i've talked with plenty of older men (late 40s, early/mid 50s etc.), who have relevant life experience. all of them told me that this desire to ocassionally fuck other women never really goes away; the difference is that when you become older, it's easier NOT to be a victim of your own emotions/impulses.
it is rather funny how so many of replies here are so focused on morality. have any of you had a honest conversation with a women in her 50s/60s about all this? women ain't dumb, especially when they get older, they understand that men have this impulse - to spread the seed. smart women learn to live with it, dumb women get divorced.
my aunt, who is turning 60 this year and has had plenty of men in her life once told me a funny quite about men. she said "a woman shouldn't be worried when her mans fucks a random women; rather, she must become worried if her man is starting to fuck one particular woman". you see, men can still love one women, but ocassionally fuck others (and it won't lessen his love for his women).

i know others will hate this and probably i'll get a lot shit for all this, but if i was in your shoes, i'd stay with the current girl and keep fucking side chicks from time to time (whenever you feel a need for it), just be careful and smart about it, just like women when they cheat on their S.O. i don't forcing to decide now is going to do any good for you, that's why i suggest keeping status quo.. perhaps some day you will figure you no longer need to sleep around, perhaps not.

either way man, don't force anything yet, if you are on the fence, give it more time..

There was a point where I was sleeping with other women without remorse because we were less serious. Frankly, I was happier, she was happier because she didn't know, we both were happy. But that doesn't mean it was right, and if we're taking each other seriously and forming a family, I don't want to be that guy even if it was easier.

I would be crushed if that was done to me while serious.

I do agree sleeping around does not seem to have much if any impact on my emotional feelings for my primary partner, I think I (and men in general) am better with that than women.

As you get older you are weaker and have less vitality, you have less desire to go out, and you are also less desirable for the opposite sex because girls have many guys like you 10 years ago. So, this situation pushes the majority to want to remain calm and unless there is a situation of a porn movie, an unreal situation.

That's kind of my point. These men didn't necessarily "mature" intellectually or morally, they just have fewer options and are not as vital as they used to be.

I don't think it's a coincidence that many of the "alpha", dominant, highly successful men out there are also the ones often cheating and fucking around. But that's still not an excuse.




For anyone still following, I'll add some thoughts from earlier today. It really bothers me how conflicted I am and just as an example, I saw my young assistant today and she looks very beautiful. Nice quality girl, wouldn't sleep around and just got out of a 5 year relationship. For office reasons it wouldn't happen anyway but I definitely have the desire to take her out and casually date her, fuck her, etc for a while. I have several examples like that. Maybe I'm misjudging but I feel like many women and maybe many men really are just completely content with their girl and don't want others. I don't know if me not being content means the relationship is not right, or just a "me" problem.

Like I said, another girl I dated was a solid 9+, 22 years old, super fit, going on to be a doctor, and within an hour of fucking her I was looking at the next hottest girl in the gym. If we dated longer, I may have enjoyed the relationship and because of how great she was been faithful for some period of time (maybe indefinitely to be better than I've been in the past) but I still know in time I'd be wanting others, so if I want something more meaningful I probably need to accept that.

Hell even the girls who have gotten me more into them (from an obsessed/infatuated standpoint, not that I loved them more) than my current girl....I was still sleeping with other girls and would have been annoyed if I wasn't.

 

[maldorf]

For anyone still following, I'll add some thoughts from earlier today. It really bothers me how conflicted I am and just as an example, I saw my young assistant today and she looks very beautiful. Nice quality girl, wouldn't sleep around and just got out of a 5 year relationship. For office reasons it wouldn't happen anyway but I definitely have the desire to take her out and casually date her, fuck her, etc for a while. I have several examples like that. Maybe I'm misjudging but I feel like many women and maybe many men really are just completely content with their girl and don't want others. I don't know if me not being content means the relationship is not right, or just a "me" problem.

Like I said, another girl I dated was a solid 9+, 22 years old, super fit, going on to be a doctor, and within an hour of fucking her I was looking at the next hottest girl in the gym. If we dated longer, I may have enjoyed the relationship and because of how great she was been faithful for some period of time (maybe indefinitely to be better than I've been in the past) but I still know in time I'd be wanting others, so if I want something more meaningful I probably need to accept that.

Hell even the girls who have gotten me more into them (from an obsessed/infatuated standpoint, not that I loved them more) than my current girl....I was still sleeping with other girls and would have been annoyed if I wasn't.

it sounds like you need an open relationship. I wouldn't expect you to change your ways, at least not yet because you don't sound like you are ready. Does your girlfriend know you feel this way so much? I don't think you can force yourself to be something that you are not. I would tell her you need an open relationship, but then youd have to be ready to accept her having sex with other men. You cant expect to be able to sleep around and have her remain faithful.

Its normal for guys to day dream about screwing other women, and I think many women do the same about men. The thing that isnt right is to act on your impulses. I think you can day dream about it and keep it at that. There is a lot in life that is so much more important than sex. Eventually you may get to that point where these urges are easy for you to tamp down. I think it would be a huge mistake for you two to have a child now.

 

[Deleted member 121863]

You're a smart guy Slice but you really seem to have a legitimate complex. You're still avoiding tell me what you want in a long term partnership, you've said in this thread and others you want a meaningful long term relationship but haven't specified what you want in a girl

I tend to agree with this but let`s leave slice alone. He has his views but is not much of a bully, so lets not poke at him. Who knows what has led him to hold the beliefs he does. It might be some heavy deep stuff.

Pumped, focus on you and your gf. If you feel slice (or anybody else) is off, leave that (bad) energy behind or you will carry it on with you to the next person you interact with.

 

[maldorf]

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[Beti ona]

it is rather funny how so many of replies here are so focused on morality. have any of you had a honest conversation with a women in her 50s/60s about all this? women ain't dumb, especially when they get older, they understand that men have this impulse - to spread the seed. smart women learn to live with it, dumb women get divorced.
my aunt, who is turning 60 this year and has had plenty of men in her life once told me a funny quite about men. she said "a woman shouldn't be worried when her mans fucks a random women; rather, she must become worried if her man is starting to fuck one particular woman". you see, men can still love one women, but ocassionally fuck others (and it won't lessen his love for his women).

I am sure that some women also feel desire or fantasies of fucking other men from time to time, so, that right should be for both, and for that there are open relationships. But normally, one does not accept the idea that his spouse is sleeping with strangers, that is why such relationships are so scarce. People prefer to deceive and trust that the other party remains faithful, lol.

Anyway, if you introduce children into the equation, it becomes a disgusting situation. One would have reason to hate those parents.

 

[little slice]

What do you mean you "date women like that".....like what? Non-virgins? Are you actually saying you would only take seriously a girl who has never "given it up for free" i.e. a virgin? Or perhaps you want a prostitute since she at least charged for it...

You're a smart guy Slice but you really seem to have a legitimate complex. You're still avoiding tell me what you want in a long term partnership, you've said in this thread and others you want a meaningful long term relationship but haven't specified what you want in a girl

You date a girl casually and then have girls on the side and seem to be surprised that the girl eventually gets weird about it or "crazy". As an example, my girl has never seemed even the slightest bit crazy in the many years we've known each other. Not even a hint of it, even when I said I wanted a non-legal marriage. Then I bring up this summer I'm questioning our relationship and might want to be with other women and lo and behold she had a hint of crazy....because of me. I have almost never been a crazy bf type, very logical/objective, but craziness was brought out in me once by a super shitty girl. I can't imagine any woman being satisfied dating you long term with your views.

And again, I'm not talking about legal marriage at all here so don't reply with facts about how horrible divorce is. I'm talking about a long term monogamous partner that you take seriously and is a life partner.

If a woman is willing to give herself away for free, how much can she really be worth? How much could she possibly value herself?

I don't date women like that seriously. You are only worth the lowest price you've demanded.

If a girl puts a very high price on her virtue, I would be much more inclined to take her seriously as a person.

It's like your co-worker who gets sloshed at the Christmas party and makes a huge fool of himself... You don't really take him seriously after that.

 

[maldorf]

If a woman is willing to give herself away for free, how much can she really be worth? How much could she possibly value herself?

You could say the same thing for a man. Women look down on guys that act like that too. What do you mean by give herself away for free? What would you respect more? Make you wait until you are married maybe?

 

[little slice]

You could say the same thing for a man. Women look down on guys that act like that too. What do you mean by give herself away for free? What would you respect more? Make you wait until you are married maybe?

Yes, you could say the same thing for a man.

that's where the whole 'master key, shitty lock' metaphor comes in.

It's crazy easy for women to sleep around... Significantly harder for men

Do you respect someone's wealth when they inherited everything - or when they put in the blood, sweat, and tears, and earned it?

Sorry, but a guy who sleeps around is a slut, but also a champ, and a woman who sleeps around is just a slut

 

[jstrong20]

Banging random broads got really boring to me. Just got out of a long relationship and it’s as easy as it ever was. But I can’t wait to find a quality girl again. That’s just me though I have lots of friends that still like the single life.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

If a woman is willing to give herself away for free, how much can she really be worth? How much could she possibly value herself?

I don't date women like that seriously. You are only worth the lowest price you've demanded.

If a girl puts a very high price on her virtue, I would be much more inclined to take her seriously as a person.

It's like your co-worker who gets sloshed at the Christmas party and makes a huge fool of himself... You don't really take him seriously after that.

OK again, I'm asking a direct question, and you're not answering it directly. Little Slice, yes or no, are you saying you would only date a virgin seriously? If so, when should said virgin finally have sex? Certainly never with you, as you'll never marry her

What do you mean for free, are you saying she should charge money and you'd then hold her in higher regard?

I have to admit, I like you on the whole, but this thread has made me lose respect for your rationality. I'm quite jaded and skeptical of many women, don't trust most, etc...but you are red-pilled beyond logic unless I'm misunderstanding your answers to the above questions, which you still haven't answered directly.

I'll make it easier for you, I'll number my questions, and you can try to answer as directly as possible:

1.) Are you saying you would only take a virgin seriously? Yes or no
2.) How about a girl who has only slept with her 2 ex boyfriends who she loved?
3.) If only a virgin, when should she sleep with you? Presumably never, as what woman of quality would give herself to a man with your views?
4.) You've mentioned wanting a long term partner before, what qualities does this woman have?


I've never felt like I've had to white knight it before but g'damn

 

[Deleted member 106824]

it sounds like you need an open relationship. I wouldn't expect you to change your ways, at least not yet because you don't sound like you are ready. Does your girlfriend know you feel this way so much? I don't think you can force yourself to be something that you are not. I would tell her you need an open relationship, but then youd have to be ready to accept her having sex with other men. You cant expect to be able to sleep around and have her remain faithful.

Its normal for guys to day dream about screwing other women, and I think many women do the same about men. The thing that isnt right is to act on your impulses. I think you can day dream about it and keep it at that. There is a lot in life that is so much more important than sex. Eventually you may get to that point where these urges are easy for you to tamp down. I think it would be a huge mistake for you two to have a child now.

She did not know I felt this way until this summer. It put a scar on the relationship as I mentioned, and of course made her less secure in it. We tried an open relationship for 2 months and she cried every other day, it was not good and is not a viable solution. She didn't even ask if she could sleep with others during that time, she has absolutely no interest in that. She's only slept with her boyfriends and is not into casual sex. So it was essentially just open for me and caused her a ton of stress.

Part of it may be practice just like avoiding the urge to eat shitty food. I used to binge once a week and now that's not appealing. Perhaps with practicing not indulging every time I have a sexual urge I will get used to it. The difference, however, is with food I still can eat a bunch of junk every once in a while if I want. I cant just once in a while go bang some side chick if I'm committed lol.

I am sure that some women also feel desire or fantasies of fucking other men from time to time, so, that right should be for both, and for that there are open relationships. But normally, one does not accept the idea that his spouse is sleeping with strangers, that is why such relationships are so scarce. People prefer to deceive and trust that the other party remains faithful, lol.

Anyway, if you introduce children into the equation, it becomes a disgusting situation. One would have reason to hate those parents.

Bold part is definitely true lol.

One other positive about this girl is she legit just doesn't have those types of thoughts whereas I know a lot of women do. But, the downside to that is she doesn't quite match my sexual nature. The girls who have matched me sexually were hoes lol.

Banging random broads got really boring to me. Just got out of a long relationship and it’s as easy as it ever was. But I can’t wait to find a quality girl again. That’s just me though I have lots of friends that still like the single life.

How old are you, and why did the long relationship end if you're looking to find a quality girl?

Most of my friends are in serious relationships or looking for serious relationships, so that makes it easier. Might be having a different conversation if all of my friends were single and actively hooking up.

 

[maldorf]

Sorry, but a guy who sleeps around is a slut, but also a champ, and a woman who sleeps around is just a slut

That might be true among men, but in a woman's world he is a pig and a loser. Some women might still chose to be with him though if he is rich and they can live off of him, those are the kind of ladies you stay away from. Perhaps those two kinds of people deserve each other.

 

[little slice]

OK again, I'm asking a direct question, and you're not answering it directly. Little Slice, yes or no, are you saying you would only date a virgin seriously? If so, when should said virgin finally have sex? Certainly never with you, as you'll never marry her

What do you mean for free, are you saying she should charge money and you'd then hold her in higher regard?

I have to admit, I like you on the whole, but this thread has made me lose respect for your rationality. I'm quite jaded and skeptical of many women, don't trust most, etc...but you are red-pilled beyond logic unless I'm misunderstanding your answers to the above questions, which you still haven't answered directly.

I'll make it easier for you, I'll number my questions, and you can try to answer as directly as possible:

1.) Are you saying you would only take a virgin seriously? Yes or no
2.) How about a girl who has only slept with her 2 ex boyfriends who she loved?
3.) If only a virgin, when should she sleep with you? Presumably never, as what woman of quality would give herself to a man with your views?
4.) You've mentioned wanting a long term partner before, what qualities does this woman have?


I've never felt like I've had to white knight it before but g'damn

A woman exchanges her beauty and virtue for access to a man's protection and provision.

A man exchanges his protection and provision for a woman's beauty and virtue

If a woman gives away her beauty and virtue without getting anything in return, she loses (I.E. A slut)

In the same way, if a man gives away his protection and provision without getting anything in return, he loses (I.E., a white knight/beta/simp, etc.)

1. I would take her more seriously than a girl who sleeps around.

2. I wouldn't take her very seriously.

3. A woman sleeps with me whenever she decides she wants to. It's not my decision when she should.

4. A great personality with solid character traits

 

[little slice]

That might be true among men, but in a woman's world he is a pig and a loser. Some women might still chose to be with him though if he is rich and they can live off of him, those are the kind of ladies you stay away from. Perhaps those two kinds of people deserve each other.

Women choose who to sleep with, men choose who to marry.

We are going to be seeing a lot of articles about milenial women entering their 40's and still not being married

Single mothers are going to continue to increase in number

Hell, 'self-partnering' is now a thing lol

 

[maldorf]

She did not know I felt this way until this summer. It put a scar on the relationship as I mentioned, and of course made her less secure in it. We tried an open relationship for 2 months and she cried every other day, it was not good and is not a viable solution. She didn't even ask if she could sleep with others during that time, she has absolutely no interest in that. She's only slept with her boyfriends and is not into casual sex. So it was essentially just open for me and caused her a ton of stress.

Part of it may be practice just like avoiding the urge to eat shitty food. I used to binge once a week and now that's not appealing. Perhaps with practicing not indulging every time I have a sexual urge I will get used to it. The difference, however, is with food I still can eat a bunch of junk every once in a while if I want. I cant just once in a while go bang some side chick if I'm committed lol.



Bold part is definitely true lol.

One other positive about this girl is she legit just doesn't have those types of thoughts whereas I know a lot of women do. But, the downside to that is she doesn't quite match my sexual nature. The girls who have matched me sexually were hoes lol.



How old are you, and why did the long relationship end if you're looking to find a quality girl?

Most of my friends are in serious relationships or looking for serious relationships, so that makes it easier. Might be having a different conversation if all of my friends were single and actively hooking up.

ok, well then the open relationship is out of the question. Im with her on that one. Id probably get along with her! She sounds like she has most everything Id be looking for in a lady to be with. You need to be sure that you wont ever cheat on her if you decide to take things further. At this point I don't know if you are capable of it. It sounds like you are though. Youre smart and have a good career it sounds like. If you are capable of getting to where you are in life now then you should be able to keep your tallywacker from wandering! If you decide to have kids it is my opinion that you should marry before. That's just my preference and I think society in general will be more accepting of your family that way. Im sure her parents and even yours would like that better. I think it shows more respect for the institute of marriage. It sounds like she may not be demanding that though, and if youre both good with not marrying then maybe you should just go with that. I wonder how her family feels about it? I know if one of my daughters one day gets with a guy and gets pregnant out of wedlock, I will be really disappointed in her.

 

[maldorf]

Women choose who to sleep with, men choose who to marry.

We are going to be seeing a lot of articles about milenial women entering their 40's and still not being married

Single mothers are going to continue to increase in number

Hell, 'self-partnering' is now a thing lol

Some truth here. Men choose who to marry because overall I think less of them desire to be married and would rather live a promiscuous life. Women these days seem to have taken on some of the sexual attributes of men in their quest to have all of the opportunities that men have. Women certainly feel more liberated these days and don't need men to live off of for financial reasons like they used to. More women graduate college now too and want to put more of their energy into their careers.

The whole single mother situation is a bad mess IMO, especially in the African American population. 66% this article says, ive seen as high as 70%. No wonder kids are having lots of problems growing up these days. IMO a child needs two parents that are devoted to them. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/up...ts&utm_content=Kids Count Single Parent Stats

 

[Deleted member 121863]

A woman exchanges her beauty and virtue for access to a man's protection and provision.

A man exchanges his protection and provision for a woman's beauty and virtue

If a woman gives away her beauty and virtue without getting anything in return, she loses (I.E. A slut)

In the same way, if a man gives away his protection and provision without getting anything in return, he loses (I.E., a white knight/beta/simp, etc.)

So women give up the poon-tang for money and vice versa for guys. It`s all just a simple transaction with a complicated dance? You have no clue how to make a women happy, please her, yet keep her around. Conquer a women mentally, emotionally and she will give you the keys to her soul, for free, for life. The problem is most men don`t know how to do this and rely on money, muscles or looks. Then the women emotionally detaches and its divorce/break up time. Then the clueless man screams "women suck, she took all my money".

I got a friend that was 45 y/o, ZERO money, no muscles, little belly, not really good looking, got with a hot 25 y/o who was making 100k+ and they are now married with a new baby. He is also making big money again as well. He made the emotional close. Pikers, bitch asses with no game offer to buy shit because they don`t understand the concept.

You ever have a woman cry after sex because it was such an intense emotional orgasm, she has major oxytocin dump and the tears of joy, pleasure, happiness just open up? Get back when that happens. P.S. That does not happen on one night drunk hook ups either.

 

[Deleted member 106824]

ok, well then the open relationship is out of the question. Im with her on that one. Id probably get along with her! She sounds like she has most everything Id be looking for in a lady to be with. You need to be sure that you wont ever cheat on her if you decide to take things further. At this point I don't know if you are capable of it. It sounds like you are though. Youre smart and have a good career it sounds like. If you are capable of getting to where you are in life now then you should be able to keep your tallywacker from wandering! If you decide to have kids it is my opinion that you should marry before. That's just my preference and I think society in general will be more accepting of your family that way. Im sure her parents and even yours would like that better. I think it shows more respect for the institute of marriage. It sounds like she may not be demanding that though, and if youre both good with not marrying then maybe you should just go with that. I wonder how her family feels about it? I know if one of my daughters one day gets with a guy and gets pregnant out of wedlock, I will be really disappointed in her.

It's not really a matter of IF I can do it. It's a matter of if I can do it and remain content and not hold a grudge against the relationship for "holding me back" from others. And yes, she has just about every quality I would want in a woman. At times I wish she was more inherently sexual, but to be honest we do a lot and she never turns me down, and her not being super sexual is part of why she hasn't been a hoe in the past lol.

So women give up the poon-tang for money and vice versa for guys. It`s all just a simple transaction with a complicated dance? You have no clue how to make a women happy, please her, yet keep her around. Conquer a women mentally, emotionally and she will give you the keys to her soul, for free, for life. The problem is most men don`t know how to do this and rely on money, muscles or looks. Then the women emotionally detaches and its divorce/break up time. Then the clueless man screams "women suck, she took all my money".

I got a friend that was 45 y/o, ZERO money, no muscles, little belly, not really good looking, got with a hot 25 y/o who was making 100k+ and they are now married with a new baby. He is also making big money again as well. He made the emotional close. Pikers, bitch asses with no game offer to buy shit because they don`t understand the concept.

You ever have a woman cry after sex because it was such an intense emotional orgasm, she has major oxytocin dump and the tears of joy, pleasure, happiness just open up? Get back when that happens. P.S. That does not happen on one night drunk hook ups either.

One of the last girls I was with....after our last time having sex she did almost cry lol said she felt too vulnerable feeling that much and that she would have done anything for me in that moment...she was clearly affected by it. And she had fallen in love with me too.

Going back to the point of this thread, I agree with you, and unfortunately my next thought is "See, I could get with a hot 25 year old when I'm 40".....It's really a shame that I'm holding my girls age against her when she's just my age. Nothing that she can do about it and it's incredibly superficial and frankly ridiculous for a life partner but I am definitely very superficial :\

A woman exchanges her beauty and virtue for access to a man's protection and provision.

A man exchanges his protection and provision for a woman's beauty and virtue

If a woman gives away her beauty and virtue without getting anything in return, she loses (I.E. A slut)

In the same way, if a man gives away his protection and provision without getting anything in return, he loses (I.E., a white knight/beta/simp, etc.)

1. I would take her more seriously than a girl who sleeps around.

2. I wouldn't take her very seriously.

3. A woman sleeps with me whenever she decides she wants to. It's not my decision when she should.

4. A great personality with solid character traits

OK so you wouldn't take a girl seriously even if she'd only ever slept with 2 boyfriends she loved....yet you want to find a quality partner. So you want to find a virgin, but never marry her. You will therefore be her boyfriend, and you presumably will then sleep with her. So she gave it up freely to you. So then do you stop taking her seriously after she has sex with you? She's now a girl who has had sex with a fuckboy so you must no longer consider her quality right? What did she get from you, no real provisions right?

Do you actually not see the flaw in your logic? The only conclusion is you do not actually expect or want a long term partner because no female could be one you took seriously. Unless you never plan on having sex again, because by your very logic that woman becomes too low quality to be with once she's slept with you.