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Phil, Big A, other Vets, etc. please respond

I do believe that omega-3s (DHA, EPA) are SUPER important and should be included in your diet. It may be fish oil, walnut oil or whatever, but use them.
BOO YAH!!! mother fuckers.

bitches PLEASE..hahaha... olive oil is in no way shape or form a substitue for fish oil.


and i couldnt give two shits about health. im talking about effects on the physique.

fish oil=shits all over olive oil.

in no way comparable.
 
you cant substitute anythin for omega-3's..
 
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HAAAHHAHAHHA

BOO YAH!!! mother fuckers.

bitches PLEASE..hahaha... olive oil is in no way shape or form a substitue for fish oil.


and i couldnt give two shits about health. im talking about effects on the physique.

fish oil=shits all over olive oil.

in no way comparable.

DONT BLAME ME GUYS!!! EDGE250, I GOT YOUR BACK!! :) NOW, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HEALTH, NOT SURE HOW IT EFFECTS THE PHYSIQUE DIFFERENTLY. IT IS NOT HEALTHY TO TAKE IN TOO MUCH FISH OIL BECAUSE OF PCBs AND DIOXINS. I WOULD NEVER SUBSTITUTE IT FOR OLIVE OIL CALORIES.
 
what does olive oil do for insulin sensitivity? what does olive oil do for nutritent partitioning? wha does olive oil do to BMR? what does olive oil do to support anabolism? what does olive oil do to preserve muscle mass?


sorry, but the most important things for growth are not caloires, they are essential nutrients. thats essential fats, and essential amino acids.

i suggest you read "fats that heal, fats that kill" by udo urasmus. or listen to one of his interviews or go to his website.

omega-3's are king.


( I AM SORRY FOR ACTING LIKE A PRICK IN MY EARLIER POSTS! I GET WORKED UP VERY EASILYAND DONT THINK BEFORE I POST!)
 
Yes, why bother being healthy if you're on a limited budget-- just concentrate on getting big! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

So basically you're saying olive oil and more generally speaking a diet high in moinsaturated fats is NOT good for your health? :confused: :rolleyes:

Ever heard about the Cretan (a Greek Island) diet and its effect on heart disease and longevity?

I bet no cause otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment...

Too much polyunsaturated fat is NOT good for your health. It's a thing to supplement with omega's, it's another to take unnecessary doses...

Monounsaturated fats should represent 60% to 70% of your dietary fat intake... avocados and cashews can easily replace olive oil for that matter :)
 
BOO YAH!!! mother fuckers.

bitches PLEASE..hahaha... olive oil is in no way shape or form a substitue for fish oil.


and i couldnt give two shits about health. im talking about effects on the physique.

fish oil=shits all over olive oil.

in no way comparable.


bitch????? you talking to me?????? what the hell is it with the disrespectful new guys here???
 

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bitch????? you talking to me?????? what the hell is it with the disrespectful new guys here???

+1

I think someone may be a member of the banned board soon :mad:

bitches ?
 
bitch????? you talking to me?????? what the hell is it with the disrespectful new guys here???

Fuck em and if they'd like to continue to hate...Send em to me and I'll deal wit em. There's a board/forum for little disrespectfull pieces of the atmosphere allocated just behind the scenes...:eek:
 
:rolleyes:

So basically you're saying olive oil and more generally speaking a diet high in moinsaturated fats is NOT good for your health? :confused: :rolleyes:

Ever heard about the Cretan (a Greek Island) diet and its effect on heart disease and longevity?

I bet no cause otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment...

Too much polyunsaturated fat is NOT good for your health. It's a thing to supplement with omega's, it's another to take unnecessary doses...

Monounsaturated fats should represent 60% to 70% of your dietary fat intake... avocados and cashews can easily replace olive oil for that matter :)

Yeah I'm with you bro, the ratio of 3s to 6 should be 2:1, if I remember right!?!?.
 
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ahh, its ok. i took this thread as about being on a budget and saving money, cutting corners because well you dont have the $$$$ because i have been there.


when your broke your not really concerned about where your essential fatty acids come from. besides i am sure youngmuscle has well passed me up physique wise and is obviously a wealth of knowledge bitches. :rolleyes:
 
what does olive oil do for insulin sensitivity? what does olive oil do for nutritent partitioning? wha does olive oil do to BMR? what does olive oil do to support anabolism? what does olive oil do to preserve muscle mass?


sorry, but the most important things for growth are not caloires, they are essential nutrients. thats essential fats, and essential amino acids.

i suggest you read "fats that heal, fats that kill" by udo urasmus. or listen to one of his interviews or go to his website.

omega-3's are king.


( I AM SORRY FOR ACTING LIKE A PRICK IN MY EARLIER POSTS! I GET WORKED UP VERY EASILYAND DONT THINK BEFORE I POST!)

omega 3 are great but you need to look into olive oil a little more, it also does a lot of these things your mentioning.

also natural cod liver oil is superior to fish oil because it has natural vitamin A and D which are extremely important.

i would read about fats on weston price for the next step infomation wise compared to someone like UDO

**broken link removed**

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/cod-liver-oil-menu.html
 
Hmmmm.....I don't like to stir the pot in threads but I want to add my two cents to this one.


What the heck is the deal with all these new guys being disrespectful around here these days. Perhaps they wander over from some other board in hopes of finding a new outlet to be a jackass. Have you ever noticed that crap lasts about five seconds over here? It's because people don't want to deal with bullshit. This place IS made by the quality of the members. We have legit members here that have walked the walk and can add much to any topic about health, medicine in some cases, weight training, nutrition, ect. This board will always remain that way and I highly doubt that any of the guys that worked so hard to make this place a wealth of knowledge will let the integrity of the board be compromised by such foolishness. With that being said............

Youngmuscle -

I'm kinda wondering what makes you such a wealth of knowledge on bodybuilding? Where did you get all your information because you seem to have the correct answer whenever you chime in. Where did you go to school? Do you have a degree? How many shows have you done? How long have you been training? Do you have an IFBB pro card? What certifications do you have? I'm pretty sure I know the answer to a couple of those questions without even having to ask.

You know the thing that bugs me the most is that you present your opinions as if they are the "end all be all" of what is 100% right as far as how things need to be applied in the world of bodybuilding. Anyone that has been in this sport knows that could not be further from the truth. Not to mention you lack respect which is shown in many of your posts. Calling people "bitches" and slamming people for their opinions because "I'm right and everyone else has no clue of what they are talking obviously" is just funny to me. From what I can gather, the last thing you think about is health and well being. This in itself speaks volumes about you.

No real insight to topics, no credintials, no respect, and no consideration for others. Internet bodybuilding at it's best.
 
hey guys...i already said i am sorry for acting like a prick. maybe you idnt read that part in my last post...so ill say it again..

i acted like a prick! my bad!

but my point still stands... and omega-3's cannot be substitued with monounsaturated fats from olive oil.


its like saying you can substitue bcaa's with a bunch of randomly selected non-essential amino acids.
 
:rolleyes:

So basically you're saying olive oil and more generally speaking a diet high in moinsaturated fats is NOT good for your health? :confused: :rolleyes:

Ever heard about the Cretan (a Greek Island) diet and its effect on heart disease and longevity?

I bet no cause otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment...

Too much polyunsaturated fat is NOT good for your health. It's a thing to supplement with omega's, it's another to take unnecessary doses...

Monounsaturated fats should represent 60% to 70% of your dietary fat intake... avocados and cashews can easily replace olive oil for that matter :)


No my comment was not stupid, but I'm going to play nice here :D and not get into a pissing contest. I think many people don't get enough Omega-3's..and maybe part of it is that I can't stand the taste of olive oil :p

The amount of conflicting info and "theories" today regarding healthy fats, and fats in general, is enormous. I personally think Coconut oil, a good fish oil, and maybe Hemp (b/c I stopped using Flax) are important. the original poster is probably confused as it is, and I don't think he ever stated whether his main concern was muscle building or health (you can accomplish both, of course, but at that age all I cared about was looking good).

No one is going to agree completely on this, but I think most would agree---and this is aside from the solid food aspect---start off at True Protein b/c they have a great selection of high quality protein and IF :D he does want fish oil they have 1000 capsules for a super cheap price

Also--- try Vitacost.com-- they have a huge variety of supplements at great prices (if you decide to get a good multi, zinc, bromelain, ala-- stuff like that)
 
I personally think Coconut oil,
I just eat lots of fish oil, almonds, cashews and some peanut butter for my fats. Is there anything special about coconut oil that I'm missing out on?
 
this post reminds of getbig :rolleyes:
 
I just eat lots of fish oil, almonds, cashews and some peanut butter for my fats. Is there anything special about coconut oil that I'm missing out on?

lots of interesting info on this site... **broken link removed**


Coconut oil contains what are called medium chain fatty acids, or medium chain triglycerides (MCTs for short). These medium chain fatty acids are different from the common longer chain fatty acids found in other plant-based oils. Most vegetable oils are composed of longer chain fatty acids, or triglycerides (LCTs). LCTs are typically stored in the body as fat, while MCTs are burned for energy. MCTs burn up quickly in the body. They are a lot like adding kindling to a fireplace, rather than a big damp log.

Coconut oil is nature’s richest source of MCTs. Not only do MCTs raise the body’s metabolism leading to weight loss, but they have special health-giving properties as well. The most predominant MCT in coconut oil, for example, is lauric acid. Lipid researcher Dr. Jon Kabara states “Never before in the history of man is it so important to emphasize the value of Lauric Oils. The medium-chain fats in coconut oil are similar to fats in mother’s milk and have similar nutriceutical effects. These health effects were recognized centuries ago in Ayurvedic medicine. Modern research has now found a common link between these two natural health products----their fat or lipid content. The medium chain fatty acids and monoglycerides found primarily in coconut oil and mother’s milk have miraculous healing power.”5 Outside of a human mother’s breast milk, coconut oil is nature’s most abundant source of lauric acid and medium chain fatty acids.

........ Today, many strains of bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics, and antibiotics are generally ineffective in treating virus infections. When lauric acid is consumed in the diet, either in human breast milk or in coconut oil, lauric acid forms a monoglyceride called monolaurin, which has been shown to destroy several bacteria and viruses, including listeria monocytogenes and helicobacter pylori, and protozoa such as giardia lamblia. Some of the viruses that have been destroyed by monolaurin include HIV, measles, herpes simplex virus-1, vesicular stomatitis virus, influenza and cytomegalovirus.6 There is also evidence now that the MCTs in coconut oil kill yeast infections, such as Candida.7

....I recommend only three types of fats to my clients: extra virgin olive oil, organic or, preferably raw butter, and organic coconut oil. Most people understand the first two but cringe at the thought of eating coconut oil. Here's why I recommend coconut oil to everyone.

Coconut oil has been used as cooking oil for thousands of years. Popular cookbooks advertised it at the end of the 19th century. Then came the anti-saturated fat campaign and the promotion of polyunsaturated fats, such as flaxseed, canola, soybean, safflower, corn, and other seed and nut oils plus their partially hydrogenated counterparts (margarine, "I can't believe it's not butter", etc.) as the way to go. Indeed, saturated fats have been supposedly causally linked to high cholesterol and heart disease, multiple sclerosis and other bad health conditions. I don't know how anyone came to this conclusion, since it would be hard to find a person in America who has a high saturated fat diet. Why? Because nearly all commercial foods, including bread, crackers, chips, dips, many candies, zero cholesterol coffee creamers, all mayonnaise and all salad dressings, many pastries and ice creams, most dietetic (for weight loss or diabetes) "foods", many cereals, and nearly all crunchy snacks contain either polyunsaturated or partially hydrogenated fats (which contain some margarine and some of the unsaturated fat mixed together). These foods are often advertised as healthy "all vegetarian," "no-cholesterol" foods. Even the so-called saturated fat in commercial meat is partly unsaturated because most cows are fed corn and soybeans, both of which contain unsaturated oils.

....Antimicrobial (Antiseptic) Effects of Coconut Oil

Coconut oil contains medium chain fatty acids such as lauric (C-12), caprylic (C-10) and myristic (C-14) acids. Of these three, coconut oil contains 40% lauric acid, which has the greater anti-viral activity of these three fatty acids. Lauric acid is so disease fighting that it is present in breast milk. The body converts lauric acid to a fatty acid derivative (monolaurin), which is the substance that protects infants from viral, bacterial or protozoal infections. This was recognized and reported in 1966 (Jon Kabara). Work by Hierholzer and Kabara (1982) showed that monolaurin has virucidal effects on RNA and DNA viruses, which are surrounded by a lipid membrane. In addition to these RNA and DNA viruses, in 1978, Kabara and others reported that certain medium chain fatty acids, such as lauric acid have adverse effects on other pathogenic microorganisms, including bacteria, yeast and fungi. These fatty acids and their derivatives actually disrupt the lipid membranes of the organisms and thus inactivate them (Isaacs and Thormar 1991; Isaacs et al. 1992). This deactivation process also occurs in human and bovine milk when fatty acids are added to them (Isaacs et al. 1991).
 
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I like to get omega-3 from flaxseed oil, it's cheap and is 50% omega-3 also contains omega-6. That means you can cover the 3g omega-3 daily recommended dose with a teaspoon of oil.

Add olive oil to this which is rich on omega-9, and you've covered 3-6-9
 
No my comment was not stupid, but I'm going to play nice here :D and not get into a pissing contest. I think many people don't get enough Omega-3's..and maybe part of it is that I can't stand the taste of olive oil :p


Actually I agree with you on the cruel lack of omegas-3's in today's diets :p

But my point, just like Edge's one, was more focused on the ratio cost/muscle building benefit... cause that's what the initial poster asked for. :)

Hell of course om3 are essential... I'm the first to supplement with them (and btw with about everything that keep you far from the doc ;) )

But I know if I was broke, I'd rather choose olive oil ;)

You're definitely right on the coconut oil... a miracle if you ask me. Plus it tastes soooooooo good :p


AWN2004... GREAT POST MAN.
 

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