If Philip is on no androgens (as well as gh) I know nothing of PEDs and bodybuilding. Even his face screams androgens to me. I think he is a prime example of successful geriatric anabolic use, absolutely amazing. Time and again I can't make sense of Emeric, what is he about, I can't really read him. Lol. At times I'm ready to order Humanofort and Tribestan (actually used it more than 30 years ago at 15 years old) then I catch myself and say don't be silly, what's wrong with you. These threads are like the twilight zone lol. Anyone else? I wonder if the always sensible Elvia also questions himself, he kind of turned a bit in his last replies to Emeric in this thread maybe? Heh.