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Please do not encourage young men not to seek out HRT

parrajm

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I've noticed a couple threads where young guys (early 20s) have asked your opinions on what to do about naturally occuring (non-gear induced) low testosterone levels. Many of you, I've noticed, have urged them not to seek HRT (hormone replacement therapy) stating that they are too young to start on a regiment of that nature. I would ask you all not to do that but the fact is that I'm new and I have no clout to make such a demand of any of you. I also highly respect the opinions of other people as differing opinions have done much in terms of new ways of thinking about things, not just in the sport, but the world over. So instead I'd like to share with you guys my story hoping that the next time someone younger comes around telling you about their low testosterone levels you will think twice before telling them that HRT is a poor idea.

I was 20 years old working in NYC at an I-banking internship when I got mono. Believe it or not, that is an important part to this story. Over the 6 months after my doctor said I was better, I gradually felt worse and worse. My energy was depleted, my sex drive was non existant, my muscle was wasting away as I was gaining 10 lbs a month all the way up to a plateau of an 80 lb weight gain. I could barely think anymore, I would wake up in a fog not being able to think for about half the day and even then the thinking after that point was so poor, I decided to avoid difficult thinking altogether. If I ate a sizeable meal, I needed to sleep. This was the opposite of who I was 8 months prior.

I saw some doctors and, as you may have guessed, my test levels came back low. My first endocrinologist told me it was nothing to worry about as I was too young for any sort of HRT and that some people have a natural hormone balance with low levels of test. Long story short, I went back a few times, had some words with the guy as I did more and more research which ended with me getting kicked out of his office as I was told no doctor would ever prescribe me HRT.

Something that not a lot of people realize about these testosterone blood tests is this: the scale they give you for the normal range on this test is not agumented for age groups like most tests are. What this equates to is that even if you land in the low-normal range in your early 20's, the values set for the acceptable range are determined by a gross average between a group of men between the ages of 18-80+ years old. Low normal on a test scale like that essentially means you have the testosterone levels of a 65 year old man. And believe me, that is exactly how you feel at those levels of testosterone. My 54 year old father had 3x the amount of testosterone that I had when tested to give you some idea. The ranges are also fungable between different lab companies so that even if someone is boarderline low-normal, given another lab's test they'd be low.

Two endcrinologists after that, I found one that was willing to treat my low total testosterone. He also found out I had low growth hormone and borderline low thyroid levels and cortisol levels. Did more research and found out that in some cases, illnesses such as mono and the other herpes viruses as well as periods of prolonged stress can have a permanent effect on your HPA axis (hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal).

Today I'm 22 and am about 6 months into my HRT for just testosterone and the effects of the treatment have been phenomenal. My mental clarity is back, my sex drive is back, I don't need to nap all day, I'm not fatigued to the point where I feel like not doing anything, and I'm starting to finally make strength and lean mass gains again as the fat I gained after having the mono is starting to go away. I have big goals and without HRT there is no way I would have been or would be able to achieve any of them.

Again, you are all welcome to your opinions on such a matter but I am speaking from first hand experience on this one. If someone has low testosterone, it should be treated. Discriminating treatment based on age makes absolutely no sense in this context as a young man should have more test than an older man. Therefore, to say that a young man with low test shouldn't be given HRT becomes doubly incorrect. Please do not encourage people not to seek help for this, we all know how important testosterone can be.

To anyone out there that has low test and is having trouble getting treatment my advice to you is not to stop looking. Keep going until you get it, even if that involves seeing 25 different doctors. Its your life, not theirs. You're not looking for an edge, you're looking for normalcy and there is absolutely no crime in that. My heart truly goes out to all of you who are currently in the shoes I was two years ago. Best of luck.
 
I was 20 years old working in NYC at an I-banking internship when I got mono. Believe it or not, that is an important part to this story. Over the 6 months after my doctor said I was better, I gradually felt worse and worse. My energy was depleted, my sex drive was non existant, my muscle was wasting away as I was gaining 10 lbs a month all the way up to a plateau of an 80 lb weight gain. I could barely think anymore, I would wake up in a fog not being able to think for about half the day and even then the thinking after that point was so poor, I decided to avoid difficult thinking altogether. If I ate a sizeable meal, I needed to sleep. This was the opposite of who I was 8 months prior.

I'll be 37 in January. Other then the low sex drive, this is EXACTLY how I've felt for the last 10 years. My doc back in Michigan before I moved ran tons of tests and couldn't find anything wrong. I didn't know about test levels back then. I need to get this tested.
 
I totally agree. If a man has medically diagnosed low testosterone, no matter what their age, they should absolutely receive treatment. Testosterone is a perfectly normal, naturally occurring hormone which men need for their body to function properly. Its just the same as a diabetic should receive insulin, or someone with low thyroid should receive treatment. It would be foolish to not treat these conditions.

However, I do have a problem and draw a line with someone 20 years old with perfectly healthy test levels wanting to already make the jump because "their gains are slowing" or "their friend is 30 pounds bigger because they are doing a cycle". This is only my personal opinion though. :)
 
brick i can agree with you that young guys with normal test levels should not be treated. theres no sense in screwing with something that is working perfectly fine. but, another point i forgot to mention is that tests are not always the best predictor of proper hormone levels. everyone has a different biological equilibrium their body likes to be in. for some guys, even if they tested their testosterone at it was smack in the middle of the given range of these tests, they would still feel the symptoms of low testosterone. the diagnosis itself is a very subjective, symptom based thing. The reason tests are used is that too many people started abusing that fact so, at present, it is hard to find a doctor who will make those subjective decisions without test values present to ward off lawsuits.

Also, something i've been looking into lately and don't have any answers about is the fact that over 6 months of continuous HRT, my nads should have atrophied. I, at present have shown no shrinkage which leads me to believe they are still producing the same amount of test they were before HRT. My hypothesis on this matter is that I may still be below my body's desired equilibrium level of testosterone and therefore my nads continue to function as they were. This is, of course, something i'm still looking into.
 
I totally agree. If a man has medically diagnosed low testosterone, no matter what their age, they should absolutely receive treatment. Testosterone is a perfectly normal, naturally occurring hormone which men need for their body to function properly. Its just the same as a diabetic should receive insulin, or someone with low thyroid should receive treatment. It would be foolish to not treat these conditions.

However, I do have a problem and draw a line with someone 20 years old with perfectly healthy test levels wanting to already make the jump because "their gains are slowing" or "their friend is 30 pounds bigger because they are doing a cycle". This is only my personal opinion though. :)

I agree too. Starting to college age kids in their late teens to early 20s wanting to stay on year around and cruise inbetween cycles.
 
Yes but there is a huge distinction between someone who needs HRT and someone who is looking for an edge. It intention of my post was to make sure that the people who are suffering from low testosterone are not discouraged from seeking treatment, not to encourage young guys to seek testosterone for no reason other than to get big. believe me, before i got sick, i got big enough without anything. 5'10 215lbs 7% BF and the only thing i ever put in my body was a multi and protein.
 
Yea the tests are a great place to start, what I meant to say was that the tests sometimes don't tell the whole story is all. sorry for the confusion on that one.
 
everyone has a different biological equilibrium their body likes to be in. for some guys, even if they tested their testosterone at it was smack in the middle of the given range of these tests, they would still feel the symptoms of low testosterone. the diagnosis itself is a very subjective, symptom based thing. The reason tests are used is that too many people started abusing that fact so, at present, it is hard to find a doctor who will make those subjective decisions without test values present to ward off lawsuits

Good point. That's the problem I have seen with doctors. They tend to be very conservative and go strictly by the numbers from the blood work vs. how I might "feel". Add to this that testosterone has been so vilified these past years and you are fighting an uphill battle many times on the medical front.
 
i went to several doctors and I couldn't find anyone to administer my low test levels...They keep saying if they put me on HRT that I will have problems having kids one day....I gave up....I'm just decided to take 250mg a test a week and I'm feeling better...Wish I could have had a doctor actually do his job though....I went 2 years off any steroid and felt horrible...all test results reported low test levels....
 
I think a couple of good issues were raised. It is very difficult to talk to doctors these days about "how you feel" when it comes to test levels but some will listen to this part of the equation. Unfortunately, I think they may listen to us older guys a little more than the younger guys and not be as dismissive.


Pekkerwood
 
Well, the main problem, we have here in the good old USA, is that the media and goverment have labeled AAS as killer drugs.:eek: According to them, everyone is either getting sick or dead:rolleyes: I always believe in moderation, Brick your post is right on the money.
 
Many docs are afraid to even prescribe test because they are worried about legal problems. RIght now I am seeking someone to help me out. It looks like I may need HRT. The endo I am seeing now is talking like she is going to let me stay the way I am for 6 months to a year, waiting to see if my test production miraculously comes back on its own. Last blood test I had the results were: total test 129, and free test 37. So im 38 yrs old and have the test levels of a 70 or 80 year old man. So im looking at being like this for many more months.
 
Many docs are afraid to even prescribe test because they are worried about legal problems. RIght now I am seeking someone to help me out. It looks like I may need HRT. The endo I am seeing now is talking like she is going to let me stay the way I am for 6 months to a year, waiting to see if my test production miraculously comes back on its own. Last blood test I had the results were: total test 129, and free test 37. So im 38 yrs old and have the test levels of a 70 or 80 year old man. So im looking at being like this for many more months.

I had test levels like yours, but I am 10 years older. IMO, go see someone else, that doctor is not for you. Normal range is 200-800 for total test. Go to someone that specializes in HRT. You should not have a problem getting HRT, with your age and levels.
 
Our brief talk really got me thinking about the illness/stress part of the equation and the more I think about it the more the timing makes sense of when my issues arised.

I replied to your messsage(don't have full time computer access right now) but I wanted to publically thank you for the encouragement/advice. I gave you my plan in the PM and hope I can experience similar benefits as you have.
 
Many docs are afraid to even prescribe test because they are worried about legal problems. RIght now I am seeking someone to help me out. It looks like I may need HRT. The endo I am seeing now is talking like she is going to let me stay the way I am for 6 months to a year, waiting to see if my test production miraculously comes back on its own. Last blood test I had the results were: total test 129, and free test 37. So im 38 yrs old and have the test levels of a 70 or 80 year old man. So im looking at being like this for many more months.

No, no, no, that is not acceptable. I can't believe your doctor would let you sit like that for six months. You can see if levels will go back to normal within a month by checking response to FSH and LH levels according to my endo. Those are extremely low levels. There is no reason you should have to sit and suffer that long. I'd get a second opinion if I were you.

I've been on TRT/HRT for nine years. Started when I was 30 (I'm 39 now) and probably should have been on as early as high school. I always thought it was normal to feel the way I did. Boy, was I wrong!!
 
Many docs are afraid to even prescribe test because they are worried about legal problems. RIght now I am seeking someone to help me out. It looks like I may need HRT. The endo I am seeing now is talking like she is going to let me stay the way I am for 6 months to a year, waiting to see if my test production miraculously comes back on its own. Last blood test I had the results were: total test 129, and free test 37. So im 38 yrs old and have the test levels of a 70 or 80 year old man. So im looking at being like this for many more months.

I am in the same boat. I was told to wait 6 months. I went back 6 months later, test were still low. Told me wait another 6 months, went back and test were still low......


good luck
 
I am in the same boat. I was told to wait 6 months. I went back 6 months later, test were still low. Told me wait another 6 months, went back and test were still low......


good luck

That's way too long. I had one test and he started my HRT as soon as the results came back. Are you guys going to a urologist, an endo, or GP?
 
I first went to a urologist. He put me on the same day we got the results.
 

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