Pump = Growth?

[JohnnyPro]

Some people say getting a good pump during a work out is meaningless and doesn't indicate growth. But, what about the fact that the fascia is stretched when you get a really good pump, making it easier for the muscle to grow? From the Synthetek website:
The fascia is the sheath of tissue that envelops a muscle. It is also the primary restrictive factor in muscle growth.
The more flexible the fascia is, the quicker the muscle size will increase. If you see top professional bodybuilders that have muscle gropus that 'pop', they have very flexible muscular fascias.

So what do you say?

 

[Thor]

JP

i have often thought about this myself, and I love how the pump feels, but some of the biggest bbers that I have known over the years have said that the pump has nothing to do with growth, and that is why I still train for the pump sometimes but usually just try and move the most weight i can for the most reps I can.

 

[BALDNAZI]

Fascia

It takes a hell of alot more then just a pump to stretch the fascia to the degree your thinking about. You have to actually manipulate it, and DC stretches are one of a few ways to do that. Good post though, looking forward to the responses.....

 

[Tom]

DC stretching

It takes a hell of alot more then just a pump to stretch the fascia to the degree your thinking about. You have to actually manipulate it, and DC stretches are one of a few ways to do that. Good post though, looking forward to the responses.....

Yup, after I talked to you I checked out some DC stretching and I swear even as long as I've been training I'm seeing positive changes in my arms...not necessarily size but just the way they look.

 

[Sesshomaru]

It takes a hell of alot more then just a pump to stretch the fascia to the degree your thinking about. You have to actually manipulate it, and DC stretches are one of a few ways to do that. Good post though, looking forward to the responses.....

I agree.

 

[db006]

the blood that you bring to the muscle after it is annihlated is what makes it stretch/grow ......from what i understand....

 

[youngmuscle]

for a natural bodybuilder, the pump is kind of useless. for the drug user, the pump is a tremendous growth aid.

 

[Nssca]

Gee the way people talk ..you can't grow unless you do DC training...lets see?
I wonder how anyone ever became a Pro BB before DC?...weird.

 

[BALDNAZI]

Rooster

Hey Rooster.....the genetically gifted become pros, most of them can train whichever way they choose.

The question here is about fascia. Some people have very tight fascia, others dont. Again, is it possible that these genetically gifted pros have fascia that is not so stubborn? Possible. What about the rest of us?

Im sure fascia stretching is not the missing link that will turn anyone into a pro, but it will help in the look and size of your muscles.

Your statement sounds like a knock on DC training, and thats fine. I know why I do it, and Im pretty sure I know why you dont. In any case, the original poster did not intend to go down this route, so please keep it on topic.

So, DaRooster, please explain to us your ideas and theories on fascia and manipulating it. Im very curious to see how your particular form of training addresses this.....

 

[cjr04e]

hey BN, you said that extreme DC stretching is one of a few ways to stretch the fascia...could you please elaborate on what are the other few ways???

 

[Thor]

WELL

hey BN, you said that extreme DC stretching is one of a few ways to stretch the fascia...could you please elaborate on what are the other few ways???

one other way is with seo in the target muscles.

 

[Nssca]

Hey Rooster.....the genetically gifted become pros, most of them can train whichever way they choose.

The question here is about fascia. Some people have very tight fascia, others dont. Again, is it possible that these genetically gifted pros have fascia that is not so stubborn? Possible. What about the rest of us?

Im sure fascia stretching is not the missing link that will turn anyone into a pro, but it will help in the look and size of your muscles.

Your statement sounds like a knock on DC training, and thats fine. I know why I do it, and Im pretty sure I know why you dont. In any case, the original poster did not intend to go down this route, so please keep it on topic.

So, DaRooster, please explain to us your ideas and theories on fascia and manipulating it. Im very curious to see how your particular form of training addresses this.....

My theory is this: Many, many more people have achieved huge muscles, many, many, years before DC methods came along.
And many achieve large size to this day without using DC.

Ive been over this before in other posts and I have talked to Dante himself over PMs about what I believe...
Im not saying DC dont work It works!!!!...

Im just saying that this( DC METHODS) is only one way and there are other ways also, to achieve your potential. I have no problem with DC and those who use it to the point of a religion...
the problem I have is those who think DC method is the end all and "only way" or "fasted", "most effective" way to get big....understand? I have the utmost respect for Dante and I'll be the first to say, I use many many of his ideas too, I just don't subscribe to the fanatics point of view that this is the only way to get big...soo nuff said.

 

[joeshow5]

So, does a pump=growth?

To get back to the topic, people have been chasing the pump for years, but when I talk to the big guys, they all seem to have one things in common, and that is high intensity. I've heard people also say that a muscle pump can inhibit full contraction thus reducing the effectiveness of any given exercise.

A good thread, I think, if we can keep it on topic.

 

[betito]

For me not pumping is a signal of bad form... if my form is in check i pump even at warm ups

 

[Ashop]

Yup, after I talked to you I checked out some DC stretching and I swear even as long as I've been training I'm seeing positive changes in my arms...not necessarily size but just the way they look.

I will have to look more into the DC stretching.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

For me not pumping is a signal of bad form... if my form is in check i pump even at warm ups

so true. when training biceps the front delt should not be blowing up more than the bi!

 

[Queefer]

When I get a pump, it kinda feels like a good buzz. That's why I like it!

 

[LATS]

BN IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.. you can not get enough of a pump to truly stretch the fascia.. it will expand to accomidate a pump with ease.. the only way would be to truly put it under a hard stretch..

 

[DatBtrue]

You guys are stating things in absolute terms. You say perhaps the pros have thinner fascia & so it does not limit their rate of growth whereas for everyone else the fascia is too tough to be expanded with a mere pump.

The truth is there is variability in the toughness of the fascia among all of us and even within our own bodies among muscle groups.

John Parillo may have been the first to "profit" from fascia stretching which involved pump sets followed by extreme stretching followed by "pose till you cramp" but he didn't discover it.

There are old videos, a clip of which is even on youtube where Tom Platz is down on his knees laying back doing a double leg hurdle stretch. It is an extreme stretch...he is grimacing in pain...sweat pouring off his body. Then he gets up and staggers to a leg extension machine. Using the entire stack he starts pumping out reps with the assistance of someone helping him move the stack. He continues rep after rep... soon he is only able to partially move the stack even with assistance...veins bulging out of his forehead...he goes until he can not move the weight a single inch.

His legs are HUGE. They are engorged with blood and he contracts his quads hard and just holds the pose squeezing blood into them...

...hmmm on second thought maybe a mere pump ain't gonna get it done afterall.

 

[brineal]

It takes a hell of alot more then just a pump to stretch the fascia to the degree your thinking about. You have to actually manipulate it, and DC stretches are one of a few ways to do that. Good post though, looking forward to the responses.....

agree 100 percent BN, and I have always found that my muscles feel VERY full and pumped after a long extreme stretch as well...