Question about test esters

[The Big MC]

I am currently on a cycle where I am frontloading with test acetate for 4 weeks while omnas are getting stable in my blood. Some have said that the shorter esters provide less water retention and side effects and that I should think about staying on the acetate. But if test is test and the only difference is the esters, why would the effects be different other than timing? I inject the acetate ed and the omnas 2x wk so test levels should be about the same and pretty consistent either way. Shouldnt sides be the same either way assuming the consistent levels?

 

[Johnny Smiles]

yup

imo test is test is test. once levels are stable in the body it doesn't matter what kind you are on. diet ultimately determines what you will look like (ir holding water etc.)
the body just recognizes test as test....... -JS

 

[Stewie Griffon]

imo test is test is test. once levels are stable in the body it doesn't matter what kind you are on. diet ultimately determines what you will look like (ir holding water etc.)
the body just recognizes test as test....... -JS

opinions don't alter reality, different esters of testosterone have different durations of effect. to achieve stable levels one must know the expected half life of the test ester and modify dosing schedule accordingly.

also, shorter esters have more test per mg than longer esters. the ester molecule itself has mass, longer esters have more mass, thus the total amount of testosterone per esterfied molecule decreases as the ester length increases

400mg of testosterone enanthate contains the same amount of test as 288mg test suspension (ester-less test). enanthate is roughly 72% testosterone by mass, 28% ester weight

the weight of the enanthate ester must be considered when trying to determine actual test. of course this contradicts the statement - test is test - it is clearly not

cypionate is around 69% test 31% ester, propionate 86% test, 14% ester

 

[Ehren]

I dunno. I've felt different on different esters. I was surprised by this and dont now why it was so. Same brand, same diet, same dose, just different esters.

I've tried the same brand of Test E and Test C and found TC to be stronger, better for libido and I also got more bloated on it. Test E, very little bloat, but it didnt seem to pack the same punch (strength gains seemed lower on E, probably due to to less water retained).

As far as muscle built, and retained afterward, I'd say it's the same. But I felt it more on Test C. Test E was without sides at all at the same dose.

Edit: Reading Stewie's post above, it occurs to me that Test C has a longer half-life, about a day longer. And in both the Test E and Test C cycles, I was dosing every 4th day. This may account for a higher overall test level and the greater effect of the TC.

 

[machola]

also, shorter esters have more test per mg than longer esters. the ester molecule itself has mass, longer esters have more mass, thus the total amount of testosterone per esterfied molecule decreases as the ester length increases

This is true but it doesn't translate to a stronger effect for short esters. The opposite is true.

There was a study comparing the effects of equal dose test prop to test enanthate and the latter was superior. There was more muscle growth in the group that used test enanthate. If I remember right the first day the prop group had a higher serum total test level but after that first day the enanthate group had a higher level. Mg per mg short esters were inferior even though they contain more actual testosterone

 

[Stewie Griffon]

This is true but it doesn't translate to a stronger effect for short esters. The opposite is true.

There was a study comparing the effects of equal dose test prop to test enanthate and the latter was superior. There was more muscle growth in the group that used test enanthate. If I remember right the first day the prop group had a higher serum total test level but after that first day the enanthate group had a higher level. Mg per mg short esters were inferior even though they contain more actual testosterone

actually i also have read the identical thing, a study done with nandrolone and various esters. with the amount of nandrolone mg administered being the same and adjusting administration basd on half-life - the longer esters had a higher anabolic to androgenic ratio

i am looking for the study

 

[Stewie Griffon]

i cant find the original study, but it looks like this info was also taken from that study

Anabolic Steroid Esters by Bill Roberts

 

[machola]

The study I saw used testosterone enanthate and propionate. But the study you posted found a similar conclusion. I think this is the reason people report less estrogen sides, water retention, acne, etc. with prop. Its a weaker preparation so there is less estrogen conversion. Hypothetically lets say test enanthate is twice as effective mg per mg as prop. 200mg test prop would equal 100mg test enanthate. So you would see half the estrogen conversion.

 

[SantiagoMuscle]

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