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quick prostate question...

quebecBULK

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what are the signs of prostate problems?
also what are some good OTC meds to help?

thanx
 

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Re: Constantly urinating little amounts

PHIL HERNON said:
Is a bad sign.
Means major overuse of the pump eh Phil......?





lol...man this joke never dies.
 

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Right usually unination problems like getting up at night and peeing alot, but little volume. And dribbling pee, weak stream. Most people use Proscar for this.
 

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how about saw palmeto seeds (spelling?) ??
 

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Finasteride can help, but it takes about 6 months to reduce the prostate volume in "normal" people (I mean not taking aas; I have no studies about aas and finasteride on prostate disease).

Prostate cancer is much more dangerous than the benign prostate growth.
It give no symptoms until it is pretty advanced.
Some people use to check thei PSA every year or so to detect an early prostate cancer.

Still, once you have cancer, you can only treat it and hope.

Androgens speed up the growth of prostate cancer.
It is not clear whether androgens can actually start the cancer or only help it to grow faster and stronger one sth else has started the shit.

Still, once you have prostate cancer you are done with aas and alike.

There are a few interesting research going on in the world (yes, there is a world out there), about the possible preventive effect of finasteride towards prostate cancer.
Results are expected in 2004.
I am waiting.


More on this later, IF SBD IS INTERESTED.
I have got to go now!


Eagle ;)



Eur J Cancer Prev 2002 Aug;11 Suppl 2:S18-27
Chemoprevention strategies for prostate cancer.

Bosland MC, McCormick DL, Melamed J, Walden PD, Zeleniuch-Jacquotte A, Lumey LH.

Department of Environmental Medicine, New York University School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA. [email protected]

Prostate cancer is the most common male malignancy in western countries.

Although primary prevention of prostate cancer is not possible, screening using prostate-specific antigen (PSA) may eliminate prostate cancers by definitive treatments.

Prevention of clinically detectable prostate cancer requires earlier chemoprevention interventions.

Because prostate cancer is histologically present in 30-50% of 30- to 50-year-old men, effective chemoprevention needs to inhibit not only prostate carcinogenesis but also growth and progression of these cancers.

AND ANDROGENS SPEED UP THE CANCER GROWTH.....

A prostate carcinogenesis animal model has been used to screen chemopreventive agents; inhibitory effects were found with 9-cis-retinoic acid, dehydroepiandrosterone, fluasterone, and the Bowman-Birk inhibitor and an isoflavone mixture which both occur in soy.

Such results can be used to select agents for clinical trials.

Besides large-scale long-duration prevention trials, trials of short/intermediate duration using smaller cohorts prior to or following radical prostatectomy may provide excellent and cost-effective approaches for chemopreventive agent efficacy testing.

Intervention prior to surgery allows measurements of intervention agents and intermediate end-points in the prostate.

These peri-surgical trials only assess inhibition of growth and progression of preexisting cancer, not real preventive effects, but they focus on clinically significant cancers. Such trials are an essential step in the development of antiprostate cancer chemoprevention agents.
 

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Although I cant site the studies, more rescent research shows that typical elderly patients with prostate hypertrophy and cancers also display lower than normal testosterone levels. The
higher the level of endogenious testosterone, the less occurances
of growth and abnormalities. So this contridicts that highh test/androgen levels cause prostate cancers/growth.
 

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MikeS said:
Although I cant site the studies, more rescent research shows that typical elderly patients with prostate hypertrophy and cancers also display lower than normal testosterone levels. The
higher the level of endogenious testosterone, the less occurances
of growth and abnormalities. So this contridicts that highh test/androgen levels cause prostate cancers/growth.
I know that the isuue in still on debate, but there are many observations in support that people with high levels of free test do have a some double risk to develop prostate cancer.

Of course you can find some studies that don't find any increased risk with high testosteron levels (I have found only one where they checked the free test), so the issue is not clear cut.

And from this to state that using aas increase your risk to get a prostate cancer is only speculation.

Some aas, f.e. nandrolons, "spare" the prostate, so to speak (provided no finasteride is used).
And for some we dont really know the prostate affect, at the dosages used by bbers, compared to the normale DHT level of a normal man.

In addition no one knows whether an increase in androgen levels corresponds to an increase in prostate stimulation.
Sometime sexual tissue displays a sort of desensitization when the androgen level raises over a certain level.

On the other hand, it has benn shown that when the concentrations are raised 20 times over the normal there is no difference in the binding to the AR between T and DHT....


But lets say, just to speak, that androgens do not influence the first prostate cancer cell.

30 to 50% of males aged 30-50 do have some cancer cells in their prostate (this percentage peaks up to 100% at age 80).......

We know that once this first bounch of malignant cells are there, androgens are a way to make them grow faster and faster. of course the body tries to kill this cells, and (thanks God) often succeds.....

Than our 43 y old friend, who is completely anaware of the 0,3g cancer in the deep of his prostate (he used saw palmetto, zinc, E vit and salenium), decides to go on a nice 1g test + 500 Bold + 50 dbol ED for 8 weeks..........

.......you continue this story..........




Eagle ;)
 

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