Sleep Apnea, snoring, etc...

[littlemack]

So guys...I'm still sort of a young buck, but I've noticed that the more weight I put on the worse my snoring gets. I've had some people tell me this, and I'm about 250lbs now and I can't see it getting any better. lol. However, when I was down in the 210lb range my ex used to tell me that I didn't snore at all. I sleep on my side too.

Surely you guys are running into the same thing the heavier you get? Have many of you been tested for sleep apnea, etc...?

Thanks!

 

[JCain]

I pretty much always snored a little, but it got really bad after I broke 200 or so. At 225 I started having apnea problems but it didn't get really bad until I was 240. At that weight I would stop sleeping, I didn't recover, I was depressed, no appetite, sexual problems, high blood pressure, you name it. I was also about 10% BF at 240, so I certainly wasn't fat by any means, which is the cause of most apnea. My doc said that it had to do more with neck circumference regardless of leanness.

I went to the local sleep clinic and was diagnosed with sleep apnea. They run tests on you while you spend the night there. In order to stop the apnea the choices were: lose weight (as in under 200 lbs), get a CPAP machine, or get the UPPP surgery. I tried a night in the sleep clinic with the CPAP machine and it was extremely horrible. I'm also quite young, currently 23, and did not want to wear a mask to sleep every night for obvious reasons.

I decided to go with the surgery. They basically cut out your uvula, tonsils, and a small portion of your soft palate. The recovery is two weeks of pure hell, and another two weeks of moderate discomfort. I lost 16 pounds in the first two weeks, as I had stitches in my throat and could not eat, and drinking was just enough not to get dehydrated. I immediately began sleeping better and still do not have a problem.

I know others that have had it done and say that it becomes less effective after a year or two, and I know one guy that has gone in three times to have a little extra soft palate removed as he kept gaining weight (he's like 275ish).

If you have any questions I'm sure I can help you out.

 

[allbeef]

Bro,

You have caused water retention with your roids and your airways and soft tissues become heavily hydrated. This makes your airwars narrower and your tongue bigger.

If you are fatigued in the day then you are not ever getting deep sleep, because your airway obstructs and you don't venttilate until your body senses a low enough blood O2 or high enough blood CO2 and then you are forced to wake up in an effort to overcome the obstructed airway. This may happen so often that you never get restful sleep.

If you are not experiencing drowsyness or fatigue during the day I wouldn't worry about it.

You can take a diuretic and see if offloading water helps. I am sure you are taking armidex for bloat with your cycle aren't you.


Allbeef

 

[gutsandblood]

at 251, I snored so loud I couldn't sleep from the noise. but when I slept on my side it would stop. I weigh 210 now, but don't know if snoring came back, cause I got used to sleeping on side, with a pillow at my side.

 

[rmtt]

You have caused water retention with your roids and your airways and soft tissues become heavily hydrated. This makes your airwars narrower and your tongue bigger.

If you are fatigued in the day then you are not ever getting deep sleep, because your airway obstructs and you don't venttilate until your body senses a low enough blood O2 or high enough blood CO2 and then you are forced to wake up in an effort to overcome the obstructed airway. This may happen so often that you never get restful sleep.

If you are not experiencing drowsyness or fatigue during the day I wouldn't worry about it.

You can take a diuretic and see if offloading water helps. I am sure you are taking armidex for bloat with your cycle aren't you.


Allbeef

Hey bro...if I remember correctly, LittleMack is natural.

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

I once stayed up all night to see if I snored and I didn't! So I'm good!

 

[Coopie]

My "magic number" is 205 lbs.

Over 205 lbs and I snore like a freight train - below that and I sleep like a baby...

Tried it all, mouth-piece (waste of time and $), CPAP machine (wife said I looked like an astronaut), and had a surgical consult (no thanks!)...

Here's what works for me:

1. No big meals late at night - my last meal is 2-3 hours before bed and it's smaller than it used to be. Still have a shake before bed.

2. Keep the weight close to 205 lbs.

3. Sleep on my side - even over 205 lbs and I can sleep without snoring on my side.

Hope it helps.

 

[mojo jojo]

I have sleep apnea. I've used a cpap but I like to sleep on my side or stomach so it got in the way and I stopped using it.

I recently had the Pillar procedure done which it where they inject 3 small polyester tubes into your soft palate. Tissue then grows around the tubes stiffening the soft palate helping to reduce snoring. This worked really well for me except for when I am taking test or GH. As soon as I start retaining water it can get pretty bad again. But then shortly after coming off and loosing the water the snoring dies down again. The procedure costs around $1500.

Good luck.

 

[littlemack]

hmmm...interesting stuff here fella's. I'll consult with the higher power's that be.

I'm not on any real juicy juice... just this Sus500 prohormone that Phil sells and the LBA's so not sure if the PH is strong enough to cause excess bloating or not.

 

[Loch Ness]

CPAP made my life much better, I practically hyper during the day and sleep very good at night.

 

[Pekkerwood]

Can cause other problems...

Its not just about the snoring. The apnea once diagnoes as obstructive ( most likely) or central, can cause a host of maladies. There are more studies every day linking apnea to heart disease. Not a good thing. Get treated if possible. I went with the machine as the Surgery success rate is not terrific and not necessarily long lasting.

Pekkerwood

 

[thebrick]

Its not just about the snoring. The apnea once diagnoes as obstructive ( most likely) or central, can cause a host of maladies. There are more studies every day linking apnea to heart disease. Not a good thing. Get treated if possible. I went with the machine as the Surgery success rate is not terrific and not necessarily long lasting.

Pekkerwood

very true. snoring is a nuisance to your partner.... sleep apnea, if you have it, is serious stuff

 

[allbeef]

Thats Right

Snoring does not equal sleep apnea.

Central apnea is much rarer than obstructive. Central is neurological and your respiratory center does not initiate ventilation. This is far more serious and the treatment requiers a CPAP or BIPAP machine that will deliver mandatory breaths to you.

With obstrucuctive apnea ( ususually with guys and gals with bull necks "thick" ) there upper airway is flacid and their tounge relaxes and falls back into the airway. The combination of floppy, flacid, airways and a tongue falling back when the body relaxs occludes the airway and ventilation stops. That is nothing gets out or in the lung. Your abdomen ( diaphram ) continues to move as if ventilation is occuring. Your blood CO2 level is rising and your Blood O2 level is falling and sudenly the body is stress to the point that you are woken up. You take a few breaths and fall back to sleep. This prosses can repeat itself over and over again thruout the night and at a minimum you never get good REM sleep and whats worse is all the medical effects that the bro spoke about will start to reveal themselves. This obstruction is easily overcom using continuos positive pressure via a mask. CPAP. You will need a sleep study to get the right prescription as faras the right pressures as you can need anywhere from 5cm -15cm of pressure to maintain an open airway.

Now if it is cause by juice and water retention then just be aware that you created it and when you are of cycle it may not exist. Obesity is another reason people have it when they might not other wise have it, but our country is one of fat people and so it is even futile for pulmonologists to try to deal with this issue as fat people are generally going to stay fat just like smokers are going to generally keep smoking despite the health implications.

Just my thoughts.

Allbeef

 

[worldspan]

Its all in the weight bro! Being big definetly has its disadvantages.

Have you checked your blood pressure lately ? That often goes through the roof when we get much bigger than God intended us to be.

Worldspan

 

[JustWannaBeHuge]

this has me concerned and I think that I need to get checked out. This happened last year and I was heavier than I am now. I woke up at around 2-3 am, and I was scared shitless because I couldn't breathe. My eyes just popped open and I couldn't catch a breath, it felt like someone punched me in the chest and knocked the wind out of me.

It took me maybe 30 seconds or so to be able to breathe (maybe even less than that, but it felt like freaking forever) but after that, I couldn't go back to sleep that night.

I have a few friends keep telling me I need to get checked out for SP, I really need to talk to a Dr about it soon.

 

[edge250]

take sleep apnea very serious. my doctors told me i would have had a stroke or heart attack within the next 10 years if i would not have had mine treated, mine was severe. i had the surgery and i am fine now.

 

[Ashop]

So guys...I'm still sort of a young buck, but I've noticed that the more weight I put on the worse my snoring gets. I've had some people tell me this, and I'm about 250lbs now and I can't see it getting any better. lol. However, when I was down in the 210lb range my ex used to tell me that I didn't snore at all. I sleep on my side too.

Surely you guys are running into the same thing the heavier you get? Have many of you been tested for sleep apnea, etc...?

Thanks!

Ive noticed that my sleep apnea improved when I dropped 20lbs.