Slin on weaker bodypart days?

[bigzzz]

Are there people here utilizing slin on weaker muscle days?

I am thinking to use slin for the first time soon, but more like 1-2 days a week(pre-wo) do bring up those groups. I already utilize metformin ED.

Any people succesfull doing this or is it bullshit doing it?

 

[luki7788]

yes - I use it with my clients from classic physics who are already within the weight limit and can't do more, and have weak muscle groups to improve - then I use short insulin before and after training on selected days 2-3x a week

 

[bigzzz]

yes - I use it with my clients from classic physics who are already within the weight limit and can't do more, and have weak muscle groups to improve - then I use short insulin before and after training on selected days 2-3x a week

Great to hear! That's what I am going to try then.

 

[qbkilla]

I do it. Delts are weak. Hit them heavy on delt day then with 4 giant sets at the end of chest and legs day for a pump. On the pump days started at 5iu added an iu each workout. Then when I got to ten iu pre started to add to post. But rather than 10 pre 2 post, I split it so 6 pre 6 post. Add an iu each time until I get to 10 pre and post.

 

[slesh]

OP - not trying to be a dick but aren’t you on the chunky side (I feel like references have been made)? Be careful with Slin. Most people have a tendency to try and match their carb intake with the amount of Slin they want to run when it should actually be the opposite. Are you consuming a larger amount of carbs on weaker muscle days?

 

[bigzzz]

I do it. Delts are weak. Hit them heavy on delt day then with 4 giant sets at the end of chest and legs day for a pump. On the pump days started at 5iu added an iu each workout. Then when I got to ten iu pre started to add to post. But rather than 10 pre 2 post, I split it so 6 pre 6 post. Add an iu each time until I get to 10 pre and post.

And, do you notice the difference?

OP - not trying to be a dick but aren’t you on the chunky side (I feel like references have been made)? Be careful with Slin. Most people have a tendency to try and match their carb intake with the amount of Slin they want to run when it should actually be the opposite. Are you consuming a larger amount of carbs on weaker muscle days?

Ha Slesh, no offense taken. For some reason some old bastards in the other thread made up some bullshit that I was fat because I experienced sides with GH lol . For reference, I am by no means lean lean, I hover around 11-12(real %) bodyfat. Can send a pic in DM, i.m.o. a good % to utilize some slin on weaker bodypart days.

 

[prodaf]

Yes it s a solution.
I used for my back and i improved it

 

[TheRoid]

It generally works well, yeah.
Of course, peri-workout nutrition has to be perfect.

 

[b-boy]

So do you guys think slin is the answer for your weaker bodypart or is it simply you have so many other holes in your game that needs to be fixed to bring up not just lagging bodyparts but total body overall?

If your advanced like @luki7788 or @prodaf then yes I can see slin on certain training days being very useful in advancing your physique.

 

[slesh]

And, do you notice the difference?


Ha Slesh, no offense taken. For some reason some old bastards in the other thread made up some bullshit that I was fat because I experienced sides with GH lol . For reference, I am by no means lean lean, I hover around 11-12(real %) bodyfat. Can send a pic in DM, i.m.o. a good % to utilize some slin on weaker bodypart days.

Lol my bad dude. That’s def lean enough. But still stick to my other point - match Slin to your carb intake - not the other way around.

 

[BigNattyDaddy420]

My plan for my next gaining phase is
Train 5x a week
Rapid slin pre and post every workout
Lantus on lacking body part days (arms and legs) I’ll also eat extra carbs these days
No slin on rest days
Haven’t decide on metformin or dihydroberberine but one or maybe both will be used to keep insulin sensitivity, as well as R-ALA

 

[bigzzz]

Ha guys,

I take on all days 500mg metformin in the am+pm(so 1000mg total).
I normally train after my breakfast(and metformin dose), would you skip that dose when utilizing 5iu insulin pwo? And still take the metformin at night?

Thanks.

 

[Hyperemia]

Ha guys,

I take on all days 500mg metformin in the am+pm(so 1000mg total).
I normally train after my breakfast(and metformin dose), would you skip that dose when utilizing 5iu insulin pwo? And still take the metformin at night?

Thanks.

Taking Metformin during the active life of insulin makes it much more unpredictable. Furthermore, with insulin you want to shove as much glycogen in the muscle as possible. One of Metformins mode of action is glucose disposal, so you’ll be working against your goals there. I take Metformin at night, far away from when insulin is active.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

So do you guys think slin is the answer for your weaker bodypart or is it simply you have so many other holes in your game that needs to be fixed to bring up not just lagging bodyparts but total body overall?

If your advanced like @luki7788 or @prodaf then yes I can see slin on certain training days being very useful in advancing your physique.

If you think about how and why insulin would improve a muscle, using it with weak body parts without more context and thought seems misguided.

Growing a body part requires tissue to grow (obviously), but insulin doesn’t do that. Insulin shuttles nutrients.

If your training frequency for the weak body part hasn’t changed, the nutrition surrounding the training sessions (and in general) hasn’t changed, just adding insulin seems like a fart in the wind.

It would seem more beneficial to

-Increase training frequency.
-Play with your tolerance to volume and intensity to maintain higher frequency.
-Consider how systemic fatigue influences your ability to train a muscle frequently.
-Pad each session (pre/intra/post) with protein and carbs.
-Increase overall calories.

The insulin should be helping you recover faster to train sooner. Faster recovery = more training sessions = more MPS.

Building muscle is like building a mountain with layers of paint. The faster the paint dries, the sooner you can add another layer.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

If you think about how and why insulin would improve a muscle, using it with weak body parts without more context and thought seems misguided.

Growing a body part requires tissue to grow (obviously), but insulin doesn’t do that. Insulin shuttles nutrients.

If your training frequency for the weak body part hasn’t changed, the nutrition surrounding the training sessions (and in general) hasn’t changed, just adding insulin seems like a fart in the wind.

It would seem more beneficial to

-Increase training frequency.
-Play with your tolerance to volume and intensity to maintain higher frequency.
-Consider how systemic fatigue influences your ability to train a muscle frequently.
-Pad each session (pre/intra/post) with protein and carbs.
-Increase overall calories.

The insulin should be helping you recover faster to train sooner. Faster recovery = more training sessions = more MPS.

Building muscle is like building a mountain with layers of paint. The faster the paint dries, the sooner you can add another layer.

PHYSIOLOGY AND ENDOCRINOLOGY SYMPOSIUM: Roles for insulin-supported skeletal muscle growth1,2

Abstract. Basic principles governing skeletal muscle growth and development, from a cellular point of view, have been realized for several decades. Skeleta

academic.oup.com

Just an excerpt here, the whole thing is a very long read

 

[Big Dave Smith]

PHYSIOLOGY AND ENDOCRINOLOGY SYMPOSIUM: Roles for insulin-supported skeletal muscle growth1,2

Abstract. Basic principles governing skeletal muscle growth and development, from a cellular point of view, have been realized for several decades. Skeleta

academic.oup.com

Just an excerpt here, the whole thing is a very long read
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I don’t disagree on the above, clearly it’s correct… but synthesis requires nutrition. That’s the point, the two have to be married to each other.

Insulin can signal many things to happen… but it has requirements and needs to be used under a specific context to see a benefit.

 

[qbkilla]

If you think about how and why insulin would improve a muscle, using it with weak body parts without more context and thought seems misguided.

Growing a body part requires tissue to grow (obviously), but insulin doesn’t do that. Insulin shuttles nutrients.

If your training frequency for the weak body part hasn’t changed, the nutrition surrounding the training sessions (and in general) hasn’t changed, just adding insulin seems like a fart in the wind.

It would seem more beneficial to

-Increase training frequency.
-Play with your tolerance to volume and intensity to maintain higher frequency.
-Consider how systemic fatigue influences your ability to train a muscle frequently.
-Pad each session (pre/intra/post) with protein and carbs.
-Increase overall calories.

The insulin should be helping you recover faster to train sooner. Faster recovery = more training sessions = more MPS.

Building muscle is like building a mountain with layers of paint. The faster the paint dries, the sooner you can add another layer.

Do you think keeping total weekly calories the same, but adding more on the days you train the lagging part...has any benefit?

Example say I want to bring up arms and hit them 3x a week. Pull 900 carbs from other days, then add 300 to each day I hit arms?

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Do you think keeping total weekly calories the same, but adding more on the days you train the lagging part...has any benefit?

Example say I want to bring up arms and hit them 3x a week. Pull 900 carbs from other days, then add 300 to each day I hit arms?

There’s too much missing context. You’d need to see what the pattern of each variable you have has done, and is doing.

It depends on a lot, so a straight answer would be a dishonest one.

If you’re only hitting a muscle once per week, higher frequency is probably better.

If you’re hitting a muscle every 3-4 days, higher frequency may or may not be better.

Carb intake should be relative to the size of the muscle (more for legs, less for arms)… and it should be relative to the volume and intensity of the training session.

Growth is a 24/7 process, so while you may be able to elevate your ability to grow in small windows of time, you don’t want to hinder it in the moments furthest away from that training window.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I don’t disagree on the above, clearly it’s correct… but synthesis requires nutrition. That’s the point, the two have to be married to each other.

Insulin can signal many things to happen… but it has requirements and needs to be used under a specific context to see a benefit.

Obviously, nutrition is a prerequisite.

Just making it clear that insulin is not merely a shuttle

 

[bbxtreme]

Are there people here utilizing slin on weaker muscle days?

I am thinking to use slin for the first time soon, but more like 1-2 days a week(pre-wo) do bring up those groups. I already utilize metformin ED.

Any people succesfull doing this or is it bullshit doing it?

I use it exactly as @luki7788 said as I compete in classic. If I didn’t though I would likely use on other days as @b-boy is correct- the best way to bring up a week body part is to work on everything.

In the context of insulin it’s about increasing recovery, utilizing more of the nutrients you consume and the other items mentioned above in the thread.

One thing I would consider first is that you mentioned you’re already on metformin- is this for overall health or because of insulin resistance? I personally would do all I could to reverse any insulin resistance prior to adding insulin.