Starting slin with high cal/carb diet

ironwill2006 · Feb 8, 2010

I'm 5'11 and 250lbs and I'm eating about 600grams of carbs a day and gaining slowly. I've been running gh at 4-6iu's for about 6months and also run some t4 at about 50-75mcg ed. Currently running 1g test and 300mg deca and finishing off a low dose of 30mg ed of dbol. I have a very small bone structure (started at 145) so I'm actually having alot of trouble getting much off my bulks now. Why Im wanting to try slin. Plan is to start my slin right as I end the dbol. First time I'm using it and unsure of some things... lots of different opinions it seems.

One thing that doesn't seem to make much sense to me is starting at 2iu's of slin and having tiny amounts of carbs when I'm normally eating about 100g per meal (about 80 pwo). Wouldn't the bigger issue be grams of carbs per unit of slin? Also afraid of gut growth with my core already grown larger than I'd like it (abdominal wall and obliques). Im told pre-workout is best option to minimize the risk. I'm training legs twice a week so plan is only using 3x a week for legs and back.

I'm thinking of just hitting up 7iu's to start with 15g's of carbs per iu... so 105g's, half with shot and half during workout. I'll keep another 100 with me just in case I need it.

Still have a few q's and Im wondering if anyone could help me out?

I only have isolate, creatine and leucine, no bcaa's or glutamine. Can anyone give me some advice on protein intake and timing? Taking in 380-400g of protein at the moment. Also Ive read to pin my gh pwo if running pre-workout slin, is that a good idea?

I do not want to go over 110g of carbs at any meal so I'm wondering how to re-work my diet? Seems like advice is 5g's of carbs per iu at later meals so I'm wondering how to handle that without a higher slin dose???

Diet now on back and leg days (cut out cardio when started dbol- before was gh am and before bed)

1pm- 110g c, 64p, 3.5f
230 or 3pm- lift ***gh 2iu's pre-wo***
330 or 4pm- 88c, 50p, 3.5f
615-630pm- 110c, 60p, 12f
9pm- 110c, 60p, 12f
1145- 95c, 65p, 12f
230- 110c, 70p, 9f
430- sleeping ***gh 2iu's pre-bed***

Ive done better with a carb rich diet (surprisingly) as opposed to a more balanced one. Ton of fibre and veggies and they're included in totals. Some fruit AM and some coconut water pwo, supplement some CLA and chromium policolinate at 1000mg. What do you guys think? Where do I go from here?

nickman1978 · Feb 8, 2010

Sorry i can't answer any of your questions but i have a question for you.

What kind of slin are you taking? insulin R or Humalog

Is it true that i need a script to get the Humalog?
Is it true that i do not need a script to get the insulin R?

I've never ran slin but i'm looking into it.
thanx for your help in advance.

ironwill2006 · Feb 9, 2010

nickman1978 said:
Sorry i can't answer any of your questions but i have a question for you.

What kind of slin are you taking? insulin R or Humalog

Is it true that i need a script to get the Humalog?
Is it true that i do not need a script to get the insulin R?

I've never ran slin but i'm looking into it.
thanx for your help in advance.

I'm going to run humalog. Depends where you are so I'd just call a pharmacy and ask.

D.Bone · Feb 9, 2010

ironwill2006 said:
I'm 5'11 and 250lbs and I'm eating about 600grams of carbs a day and gaining slowly. I've been running gh at 4-6iu's for about 6months and also run some t4 at about 50-75mcg ed. Currently running 1g test and 300mg deca and finishing off a low dose of 30mg ed of dbol. I have a very small bone structure (started at 145) so I'm actually having alot of trouble getting much off my bulks now. Why Im wanting to try slin. Plan is to start my slin right as I end the dbol. First time I'm using it and unsure of some things... lots of different opinions it seems.

One thing that doesn't seem to make much sense to me is starting at 2iu's of slin and having tiny amounts of carbs when I'm normally eating about 100g per meal (about 80 pwo). Wouldn't the bigger issue be grams of carbs per unit of slin? Also afraid of gut growth with my core already grown larger than I'd like it (abdominal wall and obliques). Im told pre-workout is best option to minimize the risk. I'm training legs twice a week so plan is only using 3x a week for legs and back.

I'm thinking of just hitting up 7iu's to start with 15g's of carbs per iu... so 105g's, half with shot and half during workout. I'll keep another 100 with me just in case I need it.

Still have a few q's and Im wondering if anyone could help me out?

I only have isolate, creatine and leucine, no bcaa's or glutamine. Can anyone give me some advice on protein intake and timing? Taking in 380-400g of protein at the moment. Also Ive read to pin my gh pwo if running pre-workout slin, is that a good idea?

I do not want to go over 110g of carbs at any meal so I'm wondering how to re-work my diet? Seems like advice is 5g's of carbs per iu at later meals so I'm wondering how to handle that without a higher slin dose???

Diet now on back and leg days (cut out cardio when started dbol- before was gh am and before bed)

1pm- 110g c, 64p, 3.5f
230 or 3pm- lift ***gh 2iu's pre-wo***
330 or 4pm- 88c, 50p, 3.5f
615-630pm- 110c, 60p, 12f
9pm- 110c, 60p, 12f
1145- 95c, 65p, 12f
230- 110c, 70p, 9f
430- sleeping ***gh 2iu's pre-bed***

Ive done better with a carb rich diet (surprisingly) as opposed to a more balanced one. Ton of fibre and veggies and they're included in totals. Some fruit AM and some coconut water pwo, supplement some CLA and chromium policolinate at 1000mg. What do you guys think? Where do I go from here?

I found shooting slin postworkout is the best time to use slin... ( if you use slin preworkout its hard to tell if your going hypo because your so amped up from the workout NOT A GOOD IDEA .)
postworkout I personally would pin my slin...pin gh rite after slin then instantly take my dextrose...
20 min later take like50-75g protein isolate.
If your using slin for the first time... its really important to taper up.. dont rush it.. start @ like 2 or 3i.u. see how you react... if you have no problems then bump it up an i.u. till you hit your perfect dose... mine is around 12i.u. (I have a high tolerance) the sweet spot for others is usally @6-10i.u.
after about an hour post slin... eat a whole food meal with complex carbs and 50-60g protein ( and remeber no fats for the next 4 hours post slin.)

hope this helps.hit me up if you have anymore ???s

and remember be safe slins no JK

Gunsmith · Feb 9, 2010

I'm taking 8 iu perworkout and drinking my shake during the workout , shake is 60g carbs from dextrose , 70g protein from whey , 22g BCAA's , 10g Creatine , 10g Glutamine.

I was eating a meal a couple hrs before with alot of carbs and making sure that the post workout meal had alot of carbs. I have since slowly backed the carbs out of the post meal to where now their is none , I have never had any trouble with feeling hypo at all , even when going to 10iu preworkout.

Biggest thing is get a good meter , start low on the slin and high on the carbs and keep an eye on what the BG does.

I think that starting at 10g carbs per IU slin is a good place to start

PBC · Feb 10, 2010

The importance of the glucose meter cannot be overstated.
Insulin useage is not cut and dry, there are constant fluctuations in your body's insulin sensitivity, from time of day to daily stressors, external conditions such as temperature, etc.....though true there can be discussion on each users experience, don't read that experience as a template for your own program.