strange bloodwork (kidneys)

[qbkilla]

ive been on supplements for 10 weeks. the past 2 blood tests ive had my BUN was a little bit high (5-28)...was 28,,,then 30. the 30 was about a month ago,,,so i was on supps then too.

i decided to go in and get some blood work,,,,and this time BUN was normal, creatinine was high,,and sodium was low. here are the important numbers...

BP 118/67
pulse 59
weight 187
height 70
bmi - 26.9

Urine test,,,,everything was a ok..no protein in blood doc says...here are the bad bloods

seg 75.3 (45-75)
na 125 (135-145)
cl 92 (97-108)
BUN 25 (5-26) was normal this time unlike the last 2
creatinine 1.7 (0.5- 1.5)

The doc is concerned about the creatinine, and the sodium being low...some info....

I work outside all day,,sweaty,,,100 degree heat,,i prolly drink 3-5 gallons a day, but im thirsty,,i piss all day long. My guess and the doc's guess why my sodium is low, but is this dangerous? Should i add sea salt? Drink less water?

As for the creatinine, my last workout was cardio, about 20 hours prior to the test. My last weight lifting was about 54 hours prior to the blood test. I did have 8oz of chicken breast, rice, and green beans about 45 min to an hour prior to the test. Drank loads of water today

The doc seems to think that the high creatinine reading might be due to the sodium being depleted because of so much water,,,and thought both could mean a serious problem. This did not make sense to me, i would think being overhydrated would make a creatinine level look lower than it actually is.

Wondering what some of you guys think about these bloods and what you would advise.

Thanks

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

ive been on supplements for 10 weeks. the past 2 blood tests ive had my BUN was a little bit high (5-28)...was 28,,,then 30. the 30 was about a month ago,,,so i was on supps then too.

i decided to go in and get some blood work,,,,and this time BUN was normal, creatinine was high,,and sodium was low. here are the important numbers...

BP 118/67
pulse 59
weight 187
height 70
bmi - 26.9

Urine test,,,,everything was a ok..no protein in blood doc says...here are the bad bloods

seg 75.3 (45-75)
na 125 (135-145)
cl 92 (97-108)
BUN 25 (5-26) was normal this time unlike the last 2
creatinine 1.7 (0.5- 1.5)

The doc is concerned about the creatinine, and the sodium being low...some info....

I work outside all day,,sweaty,,,100 degree heat,,i prolly drink 3-5 gallons a day, but im thirsty,,i piss all day long. My guess and the doc's guess why my sodium is low, but is this dangerous? Should i add sea salt? Drink less water?

As for the creatinine, my last workout was cardio, about 20 hours prior to the test. My last weight lifting was about 54 hours prior to the blood test. I did have 8oz of chicken breast, rice, and green beans about 45 min to an hour prior to the test. Drank loads of water today

The doc seems to think that the high creatinine reading might be due to the sodium being depleted because of so much water,,,and thought both could mean a serious problem. This did not make sense to me, i would think being overhydrated would make a creatinine level look lower than it actually is.

Wondering what some of you guys think about these bloods and what you would advise.

Thanks

I can tell you EXACTLY the problem............its your cycle. It is slowly damaging your kidneys......

 

[jackhammer]

what are your "supplements"?

 

[qbkilla]

hey phil, thanks for the reply. i actually read your thread earlier on kidneys before i went to the doc. is this creatinine level alarming to you, or is just a little bit out of range like can be the case for bodybuilders? and isn't it a positive that the piss test turned out ok?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

hey phil, thanks for the reply. i actually read your thread earlier on kidneys before i went to the doc. is this creatinine level alarming to you, or is just a little bit out of range like can be the case for bodybuilders? and isn't it a positive that the piss test turned out ok?

It does NOT scare me because the kidneys can last you probably 80 more years at your age........but now since they are a bit compromised maybe you have 60 years left on them........you can handle 60 years right? Steroids expedite GFR decline........so its really your call.

 

[qbkilla]

It does NOT scare me because the kidneys can last you probably 80 more years at your age........but now since they are a bit compromised maybe you have 60 years left on them........you can handle 60 years right? Steroids expedite GFR decline........so its really your call.

hey bro, i def understand what you are saying. obviousley high protein and supplements (which are part of most bodybuilders lifestyle) have negative affects,,,,especially on the kidneys.

i am very aware that the choices I am making damage my kidneys and are taking years off my life as im sure we all are. i guess what im looking for from you guys who know more about the kidneys than myself,,,,,,are these numbers alarming as in....."this guy may need dialysis soon if he doesn't change his ways"......or are they more along the lines " a typical bodybuilder who is slowley damaging his kidneys but his numbers are pobably no worse than most bodybuilders" if that makes sense.

earlier in this same cycle the creatinine was 1.3 which was normal.....never had high creatinine before on any blood test.

 

[Moen]

Ofcourse Phil is right on the steroids part. But as I've said before (I've talked to a nephrologist about this, no bro science), drinking too much water is ALSO stressing the kidneys unnecessarily. There is no way you need 3 gallons a day to hydrate, let alone 5. 5 gallons is what, something close to 20 litres? That is INSANE. If you've been doing this for some time you might as well be glad you're still alive. You're completely throwing off your electrolytes.

Quit it bro

 

[qbkilla]

Ofcourse Phil is right on the steroids part. But as I've said before (I've talked to a nephrologist about this, no bro science), drinking too much water is ALSO stressing the kidneys unnecessarily. There is no way you need 3 gallons a day to hydrate, let alone 5. 5 gallons is what, something close to 20 litres? That is INSANE. If you've been doing this for some time you might as well be glad you're still alive. You're completely throwing off your electrolytes.

Quit it bro

thank you for the reply...i am going to cut down on water and add some sea salt to my diet. i never forced the water,,i guess im just always thirsty for doing so much cardio and on my feet all day, i struggle to get lean so i do alot of cardio and work on my feet,,,always thirsty,,,no diabetes though, glucose always comes back good.

wondering your thoughts on the creatinine issue, is this just another bodybuilder with high creatinine as i see happens often or do you think at 1.7 i have serious cause for concern?

 

[keith1569]

What's supps you on?

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[Moen]

thank you for the reply...i am going to cut down on water and add some sea salt to my diet. i never forced the water,,i guess im just always thirsty for doing so much cardio and on my feet all day, i struggle to get lean so i do alot of cardio and work on my feet,,,always thirsty,,,no diabetes though, glucose always comes back good.

wondering your thoughts on the creatinine issue, is this just another bodybuilder with high creatinine as i see happens often or do you think at 1.7 i have serious cause for concern?

Don't know much if anything on how to interpret kidney blood values, sorry. Phil will know more about this. But do go see a specialist and don't rely on "promuscle findings"

 

[MantusJohn]

Your doc is worried because your creatinine levels are
.2 above normal?

Did I read that right?

 

[qbkilla]

Your doc is worried because your creatinine levels are
.2 above normal?

Did I read that right?

correct,,,,i know it is always bad to be above normal but i have heard many bodybuilders are, just wondering how alarming this is. and why do different people have different ranges? i thought the range was (.5- 1.3). why did they give me up to 1.5 to be normal? 1.7 does sound pretty high though

 

[alpha6164]

Phil is right but there maybe other problems involved.


Usually with a declined GFR you should not have hyponatremia (low sodium). Now drinking 3-5gallons a day could definitely be a cause. Unless you are run a marathon daily, you should not be drinking an average of 4 gallons of water a day. Your increase in creatinine is definitely concerning at your age. If i were you i would stop all gear, reduce your water intake to normal no more than a a gallon a day and retest blood in 30 days.


There are several causes of hyponatremia and it has to do with your volume status: 1) hypervolemic hypnatremia (too much water) 2) Euvolemic hyponatremia (normal water) and 3) Hypovolemic hyponatremia (dehydrated)

Some of the causes of the above are:

1) Too much free intake of water
2) Dehydration
3) Kidney dysfunction which causes release of too much anti-diuretic hormone which causes you to retain water therefore diluting your sodium
4) Decline in kidney function
5) Hypothyroidism (get your thyroid checked)
6) CNS issues which causes you to have a thirst sensation which make you drink and drop your Na levels.


Without getting too nerdy and detailed get this shit under control asap

 

[qbkilla]

do you guys think that the fact i was consuming too much water and my sodium was so low,,,,that is what threw the creatinine off? because my creatinine is usually normal, it was normal just 4 weeks ago.

also any idea how much sodium i should consume to get my sodium levels within range, or will decreasing my water intake bring my sodium within normal? i have cut back from about 3.5 gallons a day, and today im allowing myself to drink no more than 1.5 gallons. doesn't seem like alot but im not feeling dehydrated

 

[johnjuanb1]

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ive been on supplements for 10 weeks. the past 2 blood tests ive had my BUN was a little bit high (5-28)...was 28,,,then 30. the 30 was about a month ago,,,so i was on supps then too.

i decided to go in and get some blood work,,,,and this time BUN was normal, creatinine was high,,and sodium was low. here are the importa

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R]nt numbers...

BP 118/67
pulse 59
weight 187
height 70
bmi - 26.9

Urine test,,,,everything was a ok..no protein in blood doc says...here are the bad bloods

seg 75.3 (45-75)
na 125 (135-145)
cl 92 (97-108)
BUN 25 (5-26) was normal this time unlike the last 2
creatinine 1.7 (0.5- 1.5)

The doc is concerned about the creatinine, and the sodium being low...some info....

I work outside all day,,sweaty,,,100 degree heat,,i prolly drink 3-5 gallons a day, but im thirsty,,i piss all day long. My guess and the doc's guess why my sodium is low, but is this dangerous? Should i add sea salt? Drink less water?

As for the creatinine, my last workout was cardio, about 20 hours prior to the test. My last weight lifting was about 54 hours prior to the blood test. I did have 8oz of chicken breast, rice, and green beans about 45 min to an hour prior to the test. Drank loads of water today

The doc seems to think that the high creatinine reading might be due to the sodium being depleted because of so much water,,,and thought both could mean a serious problem. This did not make sense to me, i would think being overhydrated would make a creatinine level look lower than it actually is.

Wondering what some of you guys think about these bloods and what you would advise.

Thanks​

Actually, doctors are idiots! A high creatinine reading is representative of how hard you are training. The more intense your weight training is, the higher that reading will become. My friend that worked at the naval hospital would draw my blood and get it tested. He also let me know that another reading will measure high from weight training, appearing to a doctor that you have had a heart attack. Get a 2nd opinion!​

 

[alpha6164]

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Actually, doctors are idiots! A high creatinine reading is representative of how hard you are training. The more intense your weight training is, the higher that reading will become. My friend that worked at the naval hospital would draw my blood and get it tested. He also let me know that another reading will measure high from weight training, appearing to a doctor that you have had a heart attack. Get a 2nd opinion!

Sorry to disagree with you but you are wrong. You are confusing creatine kinase (CK) which is the enzyme that breaks down during exercise or muscle breakdown which is indicative of an intense muscle training. Creatinine which shows the ability of the kidney to clear creatinine has nothing to do with the intensity of your work outs. People with more muscle mass can generally have more creatinine that a skinny person but when BUN AND Creatinine are elevated it can show a reduction in GFR which stands for Glomerular Filtration Rate.