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Syntherol/SEO

Instead I put my money into stem cells, PT work and am just training harder and smarter.

What did did you use the stem cells on and how did it work??
 
What did did you use the stem cells on and how did it work??
I just haven’t had time to make a full thread or post, but I went all in and hit every past injury, strain or partial tear. 240 million stem cells total:

120 million IV
Left shoulder
Left pec minor
Left bicep
Left hip
Left glute
Right glute
Right shoulder
Right tricep
Right lat

To be honest I have had NO pain since going there. I also feel like I’m 20 years old again. The only area I still have an issue is my left rotator cuff as we did MRI’s and found some issues there, but it is the shoulder catching, not pain so am doing PT work with the Neubi.

Now let’s see if it last and continues to heal and be better as they said at the BioXellerator, but so far it’s been a game changer- especially on that left bicep and size as it was becoming tough on movements.

I may make a thread on all I’ve done since my last show at some point as it’s all been to set myself up for this season which I think is so important and the side very few discuss.
 
I just haven’t had time to make a full thread or post, but I went all in and hit every past injury, strain or partial tear. 240 million stem cells total:

120 million IV
Left shoulder
Left pec minor
Left bicep
Left hip
Left glute
Right glute
Right shoulder
Right tricep
Right lat

To be honest I have had NO pain since going there. I also feel like I’m 20 years old again. The only area I still have an issue is my left rotator cuff as we did MRI’s and found some issues there, but it is the shoulder catching, not pain so am doing PT work with the Neubi.

Now let’s see if it last and continues to heal and be better as they said at the BioXellerator, but so far it’s been a game changer- especially on that left bicep and size as it was becoming tough on movements.

I may make a thread on all I’ve done since my last show at some point as it’s all been to set myself up for this season which I think is so important and the side very few discuss.
I'm waiting for this topic because I'm also thinking about stem cell therapy
 
I'm waiting for this topic because I'm also thinking about stem cell therapy
Let me get back home from California and settled next week and I’ll make a thread on it for guys.

The current Ms. Olympia (bodybuilding) was coming in as I was at the end of my treatment. There is absolutely a place for it.
 
I have just replied to your PM but will go over certain things on here as well. SEO can mean many different things but you're asking about Synthetek's Syntherol. I mention that for a very good reason. BBextreme just posted "IMO it’s one of those things you can’t undo once you’ve done it" which for some products is completely true but for syntherol it's not (at all). It's not permanent and it dissipates over time. If someone gets huge arms or calves etc that just stay there for years and they say it's permanent they used something else for that or they are simply still injecting frequently. Things that don't dissipate could potentially also be more dangerous because they are simply stuck inside you.

I have experimented with syntherol many times mainly in my arms and calves. My calves grew more in 3 weeks on syntherol than they did after 10 years of brutal training. The difference was crazy and I posted the pics all over the forum. The image uploading website I used closed down years later so all those pics (every pic I have ever posted on here from years ago) don't show up now and my old computer broke so I don't have them anymore. I might have some pics of my arms loaded up somewhere though.

Anyway so I done my calves (actually done them twice) and I didn't touch them again and the gains held for awhile but over time they pretty much went back to normal. The same for my arms as well. That stretching of the fascia does make a difference in the short and long term though. Nevertheless, if you want to keep that crazy difference I would always recommend a long term maintenance protocol (which I never did). There are loads of guys who do this but many don't like posting about their usage because of the reaction they get. This stuff is so commonly used but it's also hidden by many especially competitors.

You can blow up your arms (etc) so usage can be obvious but it can also be done gradually where no one would ever know. There are some incredibly aesthetic guys who use syntherol to touch up certain muscles (mainly arms and delts) and it really brings their physique to life without it being obvious it's used. Others just want to blow up as big as possible and there is nothing wrong with that either and if you do that with syntherol it will look obvious but once the inflammation goes down it will look much better (person dependent). The difference is knowing when to back off and having a realistic viewpoint so you can essentially create the look you desire. Some don't know when to stop and get carried away and it shows and it never looks good. Obvious SEO usage to me never looks good and I love freaky physiques but some do get carried away trying to get as big as possible.

When I state a long term maintenance protocol I just mean run a standard cycle and once you get that desired size you just lower down the frequency of injections. That could be just 1 day of injections per week and that will be enough. The longer you run it combined with great training and nutrition the better things will be. You don't have to stay on it forever because again it dissipates slowly but for a crazy look you have to put in the work. AAS aren't permanent and Syntherol is no different but it can be an incredible tool and give you the results you want with surprisingly low amounts.

The above brings me onto another subject but I don't want this post to be too long. I am happy to answer specific questions if people need. There is never 1 size fits all and this is no different. I never needed to use much syntherol to get good results but at the same time you're not going to grow your arms 3 inches with a few injs per week and work needs to be put in. To me this should be tapered up (like Big A has always recommended) and that can be done in different views depending upon the individual, bodypart and specific goal.

When you talk about the maintenance protocol and injecting once a week, do you think this could be ran year-round without any issues?
 
I just haven’t had time to make a full thread or post, but I went all in and hit every past injury, strain or partial tear. 240 million stem cells total:

120 million IV
Left shoulder
Left pec minor
Left bicep
Left hip
Left glute
Right glute
Right shoulder
Right tricep
Right lat

To be honest I have had NO pain since going there. I also feel like I’m 20 years old again. The only area I still have an issue is my left rotator cuff as we did MRI’s and found some issues there, but it is the shoulder catching, not pain so am doing PT work with the Neubi.

Now let’s see if it last and continues to heal and be better as they said at the BioXellerator, but so far it’s been a game changer- especially on that left bicep and size as it was becoming tough on movements.

I may make a thread on all I’ve done since my last show at some point as it’s all been to set myself up for this season which I think is so important and the side very few discuss.
Neubi is amazing. I have an old school ARP Therastim and its magic for injuries
 
I don't think it works as advertised. I know this is a pro SEO forum but that's my opinion. I don't think it works due to stretching the fascia, fascia being a limiting factor in growth. I don't think it allows the new supposed empty space to fill with "real muscle." I think the "gains" are scar tissue i.e. damage to the muscle. Dusty Hanshaw said he used site injections for scar tissue. I think luki said his arms are permanent again because it's scar tissue. I also don't think you can really use it and get considerable size gains without it showing. In those befire/after pics I could tell almost every time where it had been used and it's not a good look. I like what Dave Smith said.

In principle I'm all for it, I just don't like what it actually does.
 
There is a multiple Olympian that's a member here...If that man decided to speak the bro science would be finished forever.

Truth is most of you have absolutely no clue who is using it and who is not...And as we have seen from past threads, even those "in the know" speaking about their "friends", have no clue;)
 
I don't think it works as advertised. I know this is a pro SEO forum but that's my opinion. I don't think it works due to stretching the fascia, fascia being a limiting factor in growth. I don't think it allows the new supposed empty space to fill with "real muscle." I think the "gains" are scar tissue i.e. damage to the muscle. Dusty Hanshaw said he used site injections for scar tissue. I think luki said his arms are permanent again because it's scar tissue. I also don't think you can really use it and get considerable size gains without it showing. In those befire/after pics I could tell almost every time where it had been used and it's not a good look. I like what Dave Smith said.

In principle I'm all for it, I just don't like what it actually does.
When used PROPERLY it does work as advertised. That is also confirmed that virtually every member here that people look up to buys it regularly. And those members also vehemently deny using it because they don't want the stigma attached and then old members "in the know", like you, say that you can tell, but you can't tell shit if it's been used properly.
 
Everything ever stated about SEO is bro science. There is no realistic science on SEO. If you tried asking anyone involved with “real science” for a living if it “grew new muscle from stretching fascia”, they’d look at you with impolite skepticism.

People get away with it and make it look real in the same way strippers have nice tits and big ugly fake tits.

It’s okay to have nice arms enhanced by SEO. It still doesn’t mean it’s real contractile, useable muscle.
 
I don't like to be contrarian for the sake of it. I know you can't tell in every instance since everyone of note has used it.
It's still my belief that when it actually increases the tape measure you can usually tell. It always causes some deformity and in my opinion this is because of scar tissue. If it just left the injection site you'd think the muscle would return to its previous shape, but it doesn't. There are also many guys who say they "know how to use it" but evidently don't as you can immediately tell. Most guys put it in delts (elsewhere too) and you can almost see the rear delts from the front lol. You can see the delt shapes and they are not normal. Whether Dusty used SEO or Winstrol it was immediately obvious he had tinkered with something. Ronnie had put something in his calves, most black bodybuilders do. Dexter had it his arms. You'd think these guys would have had help in doing it professionally. Shaun Clarida as well, very obvious, the tip of the top in bodybuilding.

But if guys feel it "works" they will keep doing it and I have no problem with that.
 
It is used more than people speak about and for sure can make a difference when used properly and not overly done. The whole stretching of fascia thing I dont buy however lol. It just inflames the muscle and sits in there. Shoot gear consistently into your arms or rear delts, youll notice a very similar effect. Its just an "inflammatory" effect in a way.
 
It is used more than people speak about and for sure can make a difference when used properly and not overly done. The whole stretching of fascia thing I dont buy however lol. It just inflames the muscle and sits in there. Shoot gear consistently into your arms or rear delts, youll notice a very similar effect. Its just an "inflammatory" effect in a way.

THIS! Yes.
 
I don't like to be contrarian for the sake of it. I know you can't tell in every instance since everyone of note has used it.
It's still my belief that when it actually increases the tape measure you can usually tell. It always causes some deformity and in my opinion this is because of scar tissue. If it just left the injection site you'd think the muscle would return to its previous shape, but it doesn't. There are also many guys who say they "know how to use it" but evidently don't as you can immediately tell. Most guys put it in delts (elsewhere too) and you can almost see the rear delts from the front lol. You can see the delt shapes and they are not normal. Whether Dusty used SEO or Winstrol it was immediately obvious he had tinkered with something. Ronnie had put something in his calves, most black bodybuilders do. Dexter had it his arms. You'd think these guys would have had help in doing it professionally. Shaun Clarida as well, very obvious, the tip of the top in bodybuilding.

But if guys feel it "works" they will keep doing it and I have no problem with that.
It is very simple - if it's noticeble or they have scar tissue, they have done it wrong. There is no other way about it.
 
THIS! Yes.
Right, so when months later, the muscle still measures the same and ultra sounds show no scar tissue or inflamation, just lean tissue, what is that? The ultra sound machines are malfunctioning?
 
All of you claiming bro science - did you bother reading this?

Ignoring the Big A part of it, the rest is all supported by references. And the entire piece (again ignoring the Big A bits) is what was used to get government import approval into various countries (including the US).

So according to you guys all those scientific references are wrong and the various countries governments/health departments are wrong too. But the opposing conclusions that you guys came up with your own bro science are correct.
It shits me when people talk without being fully informed.
 
All of you claiming bro science - did you bother reading this?
i remember that article from datbtrue , noone ever questioned him on any of his write ups i remember until this one , then all the references he included and even all the questions he answered afterwards were overlooked and it was brushed off.

being close personal friends with k1 and having watched him run syntherol one time many years ago i was able to ask a lot of questions and seeing some of the names on this board that were ordering and openly bashing the product were insane! most of these guys are really great guys but after seeing how they lie and conduct themselves they lose credibility in much of what else they say.
 
All of you claiming bro science - did you bother reading this?

Ignoring the Big A part of it, the rest is all supported by references. And the entire piece (again ignoring the Big A bits) is what was used to get government import approval into various countries (including the US).

So according to you guys all those scientific references are wrong and the various countries governments/health departments are wrong too. But the opposing conclusions that you guys came up with your own bro science are correct.
It shits me when people talk without being fully informed.

That’s a very well written advertisement by synthetek.

Are those of us who’ve tried it allowed to still disagree?

Logical fallacies and strong correlations/assumptions don’t cancel out our experiences and opinions.

Most of us just don’t argue because it’s sort of like bringing up an issue about Pfizer on a show sponsored by Pfizer.

If we aren’t allowed to have an opposing view, that’s okay. Just tell us.

Nobody here is definitively saying it IS anything, they’re just saying we know it isn’t likely to be the same muscle and trying to guess what the volume is made up of.

The burden of proof lies with the believer.

I assume I’ll just be blasted about those, so I’ll relieve myself from the thread.
 
Synthol has always been a bit like Viagra.
Although it’s probably used by 50-80% of grown men for improved performance…. Most will say they do not need it or have not used it. That’s why guys like pro%*# say uhhhh no it was winstrol. Sounds better I guess for the readers and listeners.

As BigDavesmith has said.
If you are going to come here knowing the forum is owned by Synthetek and try to
Debate its use or effectiveness you should have your notes prepared.
 

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