T-Nation Article about Carb Cycling and the EFS / Troponin Seminar

Shelby · Apr 15, 2009

link:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...e_nutrition/a_beginners_guide_to_carb_cycling

mental1 · Apr 15, 2009

good article! I actually already purchased your ebook a while back on this carb cycling approach. Mental1

HeavyHands · Apr 15, 2009

Great article - good information on an intuitive approach. Makes alot of sense!

SSmith · Apr 16, 2009

Shelby are you mixing carbs and fats together?

let's say if you would have to take 200g of carbs and 70g of fat would ir be better to divide ir in 5-6 equal meals or have 60-70g of carbs in meals 1-3 and 20-25g of fat in another 4-6 meals?

SSmith · Apr 16, 2009

also another question, Shelby:
I read that human body can store only 700-1500 calories as glycogen, so that's only 375g of carbs, most...in your article you recommend to take up to 3g of carbs per lb,so for a 250lbs person it would be around 750g of carbs, wouldn't most of it be stored as fat since the body couldn't store so much carbs and the body wasn't totally depleted during the week?

Shelby · Apr 16, 2009

SSmith said:
Shelby are you mixing carbs and fats together?

let's say if you would have to take 200g of carbs and 70g of fat would ir be better to divide ir in 5-6 equal meals or have 60-70g of carbs in meals 1-3 and 20-25g of fat in another 4-6 meals?

The latter.

SSmith said:
also another question, Shelby:
I read that human body can store only 700-1500 calories as glycogen, so that's only 375g of carbs, most...in your article you recommend to take up to 3g of carbs per lb,so for a 250lbs person it would be around 750g of carbs, wouldn't most of it be stored as fat since the body couldn't store so much carbs and the body wasn't totally depleted during the week?

First of all, we don't always go that high on carbs.. it depends on the individual and the situation (and it varies for each individual week to week... nothing is static). Also, the body can only store a certain amount of glycogen but way more than that is used in metabolism.

I only weigh 195 pounds but I ate 1400g carbs a couple weeks ago... 4 days later I was leaner, not fatter.

Mr.G · Apr 16, 2009

good read, I like the idea of eating for the environment you are in.

BigCanuck · Apr 16, 2009

Well...Good article BUT science tells us the reason macro nutrient cycling works is not because you are cycling carbs but actually because you are cycling Protein.

Shelby · Apr 16, 2009

BigCanuck said:
Well...Good article BUT science tells us the reason macro nutrient cycling works is not because you are cycling carbs but actually because you are cycling Protein.

What does science say about insulin sensitivity?

BigCanuck · Apr 16, 2009

Shelby said:
What does science say about insulin sensitivity?

High Protein intake stimulates the release of Glucagon opposing the effects of insulin.

Shelby · Apr 16, 2009

BigCanuck said:
High Protein intake stimulates the release of Glucagon opposing the effects of insulin.

True, but that's only part of the equation.

You WANT insulin at certain times.. does lowering protein stimulate insulin release?.....

BigCanuck · Apr 16, 2009

Of more importance to me is the fact that the transport of amino acids into the muscle is initially improved during the first days of high Protein.Then you go low Protein for a few days as this stimulates anti-proteolytic(anti catabolic) mechanisms(liver proteins are lost first rather than muscle protein) and when you switch back to high protein again the body supercompensates.

shawnkarbabacz · Apr 16, 2009

Shelby said:
The latter.

First of all, we don't always go that high on carbs.. it depends on the individual and the situation (and it varies for each individual week to week... nothing is static). Also, the body can only store a certain amount of glycogen but way more than that is used in metabolism.

I only weigh 195 pounds but I ate 1400g carbs a couple weeks ago... 4 days later I was leaner, not fatter.

thats a question ive always kind of wondered myself. to me common sense indicates what you said shelby, that the latter is the way to go, but its good to hear validation that ive understood what ive been reading. So sad though, since PB in oats is sooooo good....

bigguns078 · Apr 16, 2009

I agree with the information presented in the article. The only thing that confuses me is when and what to eat? For example.. Say you are on an off day from lifting, so you would have minimal carbs and high fats. The next day you have your leg day so you want a high carb day and you train legs at 5 PM. When is the best time to start refueling your glycogen and packing down the carbs.. What type of carbs should you be eating? Should you end your low carb/no training day with a high complex carb meal? To get the glycogen stores filling up for tomorrows leg day? Or can you wait till the morning and start then? Some complex carbs take hours to digest and some people say you won't utilize those carbs you just ate till a day or two later.. So would it make sense to eat fast digesting carbs all day, prior to your leg workout, so you can utilize those carbs effectively to train heavier with legs?

Shelby · Apr 24, 2009

Another article / review of the seminar:
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mo chuisle · Apr 24, 2009

Sounds like it was a great seminar! Hopefully I'll be able to make it to one in the future.

This was my favorite part of the EliteFTS article: "Shelby was sporting a leather 'clutch' or some shit. I don’t even know what the hell it was. Go ahead, Shelby. Be all jacked and stylish with your perfect teeth, your damn bag, and ..."

Shelby, I had no idea you were such a fashion plate.

Shelby · Apr 24, 2009

mo chuisle said:
Sounds like it was a great seminar! Hopefully I'll be able to make it to one in the future.

This was my favorite part of the EliteFTS article: "Shelby was sporting a leather 'clutch' or some shit. I don’t even know what the hell it was. Go ahead, Shelby. Be all jacked and stylish with your perfect teeth, your damn bag, and ..."

Shelby, I had no idea you were such a fashion plate.