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Test + Nandrolone is bad for hair?

PoptartPsycho

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Hello Iron Bros
I have a question that some of you guys may have an answer to. (Yes I did a search prior)

Someone told me that using Test and Nandrolone together is bad for your hair.

I am currently losing my hair while on TRT. (200mg Test Cyp weekly, .5mg Adex twice weekly, enclomiphene twice weekly)

Every year after my last blood work (next week) I do a bigger cycle for ten weeks to carry over into the new year )

In the past I have done
400mg Test Cyp weekly
300mg Tren Enanthate weekly
40mg Anavar daily

This year I was thinking more of along the lines like :

300mg Test Cyp weekly
150mg Deca weekly
25mg Dbol daily.

But after hearing the above statement I am worried. I have ordered the micro needling and Minoxidil combo and will start it Wednesday.

My hair has been thinning for years and at the last checkup (May) my doctor offered to Rx me dutasteride. Which I didn’t opt for at the time. My numbers in the labs were fantastic if that matters.

Any input to this? I know this is a long post and apologize but I wanted to include as much info as I could to help with answers.

Thank you so much my friends!
 
Just to include that my adex and enclomiphene dose stayed the same when I bumped up the doses for my annual cycle.
 
I have ran deca/test year round more than once
Zero hair loss problem

As it’s often been said it’s genetics and AAS “might” speed it up a little but regardless if it’s happening then it’s happening with or without AAS’s

I know it’s a hard pill to swallow, your in denial, you can’t believe you’re losing your hair, etc

But you just have to get over it and accept it

That being said ….. this is what I do …… there are a couple of very good brands of anti-hair loss shampoo on the market

Look for one with biotin and caffeine in it and a host of DHT blockers

I used 2 brands and alternate back and forth between the 2 brands

Been doing this for years

I simply do not lose hair …. I’m in my 50’s
 
I have ran deca/test year round more than once
Zero hair loss problem

As it’s often been said it’s genetics and AAS “might” speed it up a little but regardless if it’s happening then it’s happening with or without AAS’s

I know it’s a hard pill to swallow, your in denial, you can’t believe you’re losing your hair, etc

But you just have to get over it and accept it

That being said ….. this is what I do …… there are a couple of very good brands of anti-hair loss shampoo on the market

Look for one with biotin and caffeine in it and a host of DHT blockers

I used 2 brands and alternate back and forth between the 2 brands

Been doing this for years

I simply do not lose hair …. I’m in my 50’s
@Black Beard 😆
 
Deca is the most hair safe AAS for me

Just feel like a sad limp noodle on it
 
Hello Iron Bros
I have a question that some of you guys may have an answer to. (Yes I did a search prior)

Someone told me that using Test and Nandrolone together is bad for your hair.

I am currently losing my hair while on TRT. (200mg Test Cyp weekly, .5mg Adex twice weekly, enclomiphene twice weekly)

Every year after my last blood work (next week) I do a bigger cycle for ten weeks to carry over into the new year )

In the past I have done
400mg Test Cyp weekly
300mg Tren Enanthate weekly
40mg Anavar daily

This year I was thinking more of along the lines like :

300mg Test Cyp weekly
150mg Deca weekly
25mg Dbol daily.

But after hearing the above statement I am worried. I have ordered the micro needling and Minoxidil combo and will start it Wednesday.

My hair has been thinning for years and at the last checkup (May) my doctor offered to Rx me dutasteride. Which I didn’t opt for at the time. My numbers in the labs were fantastic if that matters.

Any input to this? I know this is a long post and apologize but I wanted to include as much info as I could to help with answers.

Thank you so much my friends!
Everything I'm going to say is just theory and my understanding of everything I have read over the last 30 years.
I would drop the adex and the enclomid, by blocking the aromatization there may be more test available for dht conversion. Deca competes for the 5a reductase enzyme and the androgen receptors there by reducing the androgenicity, and deca reduces to a less androgenic molecule which should farther reduce the chances of losing hair. The problem is your cycle design, by adding d-bol to your test deca cycle you make it more androgenic causing more hair loss problems,
 
Hello Iron Bros
I have a question that some of you guys may have an answer to. (Yes I did a search prior)

Someone told me that using Test and Nandrolone together is bad for your hair.

I am currently losing my hair while on TRT. (200mg Test Cyp weekly, .5mg Adex twice weekly, enclomiphene twice weekly)

Every year after my last blood work (next week) I do a bigger cycle for ten weeks to carry over into the new year )

In the past I have done
400mg Test Cyp weekly
300mg Tren Enanthate weekly
40mg Anavar daily

This year I was thinking more of along the lines like :

300mg Test Cyp weekly
150mg Deca weekly
25mg Dbol daily.

But after hearing the above statement I am worried. I have ordered the micro needling and Minoxidil combo and will start it Wednesday.

My hair has been thinning for years and at the last checkup (May) my doctor offered to Rx me dutasteride. Which I didn’t opt for at the time. My numbers in the labs were fantastic if that matters.

Any input to this? I know this is a long post and apologize but I wanted to include as much info as I could to help with answers.

Thank you so much my friends!

T+Deca/NPP is generally going to be worse than just T simply from the higher androgen load.

Microneedle+Minox might only slow it down a little bit.

It's best to figure out 1. Do you want to actually stop it? or 2. Just shave it/let it fall out on it's own.

Most guys can find a finasteride or dutasteride protocol with none or minimal sides. You can search my thread on both medications.

You can use as little as 1-2 capsules of dutasteride per week or a quarter finasteride 3-7 times per week and see results with drastically reduced risk of sides. Some guys do even better from topical finasteride, even as little as x 3 per week. (concentration matters, as it's absorbed fairly well from the scalp, so too high dose or frequency of topical fina can still cause side effects in some people)


Is your balding noticeable yet? The sooner you start, the better your results will be when it comes to stopping hair loss and reversing it. Most guys will see best regrowth results between 1-2 years, some will see results as early as 4-6 months. You can use "toppik" hair fibers (keratin fibers) to fill in the thin hair while you wait for it grow back or you can get a transplant (Most surgeons like to wait until you've trying to regrow with meds first)
 
I don’t see anything about stopping it 🤷‍♂️

I should, after reading all you have written in another thread know but don’t . . . I thought could ‘halt’ MPB with the appropriate protocol . . . not just slow it down. Or is the effectiveness of any protocol related to the anabolics one is taking, mixture and dose dependent?
 
Few points here. There will be a select few who will attack this but they never refute the science I post anyways and my claims are well backed scientifically and anecdotally.

So 1 test plus deca is almost always a bad combo as deca increases the conversion of testosterone to estrogen making more estrogen and then more prolactin. Prolactin is a big hitter for hair loss.

I use my words with very exact context here so please read when I say anecdotally or scientifically.

Anecdotally, which most my following is largely hair loss sufferers. I have guys who fit the bill to a T for hair loss losing hair off simple TRT doses of testosterone. Very hair loss prone. These guys lose zero hair on deca and even regrew when ran without harsh androgens. Doses upwards of 3000mg a week even.

Where people get confused is the whole androgenic to anabolic ratio of drugs done on rat prostates and the levi ana muscle. We are not rats and these test sites do not matter for androgenic sides across the whole body especially not the scalp. A androgen can bind strongly to one androgenic tissue and not the other well proven in studies. So something that binds strong to the prostate may or may not bind strong to tissue in the scalp, or at all.

In this instance deca anecdotally, keyword here again. Ive had guys run grams and literally regrow hair who were losing it naturally and or losing it on TRT doses of test even. My anecdotal evidence is my thousands of followers, clients etc over a decade now anyone can see them publically online via searching, or I've posted some examples here already.

Am I saying to go pure deca? No Im not. I am just pointing out the difference here science wise and anecdotal wise.

So yes deca plus test combo is horrible for hair loss due to many mechanisms. And no deca does not raise prolactin itself or solo. Studies on deca solo show lowered prolactin not raised. As do my ten years of blood work from thousands of users.

Your options if you care from myself.

Go read my recent hair loss article posted here. You wont find anyone else online who has many, many users who have successfully recovered their hair under one persons regime such as mine. Is there lots of hair loss recovery stories? a few for sure. But all random individuals and as we know 1 person can take this or that item or protocol and see great results and another person takes it and sees zero results. This is all over the hair loss forums with hundreds of thousands of users following the basic rules of finasteride, minxodil, ketoconazole etc with none of the users posting hair loss results basically and all on the forums for years still posting looking for a cure but 5 people out of hundreds of thousands of users saw results so it must be the holy grail. These are just the facts I'm pointing out.

Yet you'll see under my postings/articles my protocol has consistent results unlike no other time and time again. If you read my article you'll see I tackle what science points towards male pattern baldness main root cause. And why most protocols don't work for the majority of people. Or sorry they don't not work its that they see minor slowing of hair loss at best for most and some minor regrowth.

The benefits to my protocol, its 100 percent safe and natural essentially. I don't like finasteride as it blocks whole body DHT and we know balding men have higher locally produced DHT in the scalp and sensitivity, not whole body serum dht levels. So why attack the whole bodies dht level which is needed for important functions like bone and oral health and brain health. Minoxdil I simply don't like mainly because it breaks down collagen and why you will see many users report looking immensely older facially after using it.

My protocol is not strenous and most users extremely half ass it and see results still. Doing the basic oils a couple times a week before a shower even as an example. The main focus you will see in the article is eating better which I explain in-depth as most don't really understand what eating healthy means and fixing circulation via this as well as posture.

Here is the thread below:

Again my users who follow my protocol don't just stop hair loss but actually see regrowth and complete reversal.

Now the other thing to mention which I've posted about here before is. Esters play more of a role then most people understand. Esters are a factor in how androgenic a steroid is. And this is regardless of the release of the hormone as the studies matched blood levels of different esters with different injection patterns and the short esters were still more androgenic then the longer esters. Which is what I am about to explain. So the longer the ester the less androgenic the item was essentially. With release/blood levels matched via injection frequency the short esters were still twice as androgenic as the longer esters. Which gives merit to what bodybuilders have said for decades they feel they cut better on short esters and look tighter. Which also onto this fact, the longer esters were more anabolic and produced more estrogenic. Which sure you've seen endless users have always reported they felt they grew better on longer esters.

None of this above is my opinion btw again I choose my words very carefully. This is all data from studies. Not my opinion, not my research neither.

I also have posted my anecdotal results again of hair loss sufferers simply switching to an even longer ester of testosterone then what they were on and fully stopping hair loss and regrowth happening. With zero other changes. Again this is purely anecdotal but the science matches up and my anecdotal experience and evidence over years backs all this with proof.

So that is my suggestions above.
 
Here we go...
 
Forgot to add to the above. I am not talking about switching to Test E or cyp as example but longer forms such as decanonate and undec as examples.
 
Everything I'm going to say is just theory and my understanding of everything I have read over the last 30 years.
I would drop the adex and the enclomid, by blocking the aromatization there may be more test available for dht conversion. Deca competes for the 5a reductase enzyme and the androgen receptors there by reducing the androgenicity, and deca reduces to a less androgenic molecule which should farther reduce the chances of losing hair. The problem is your cycle design, by adding d-bol to your test deca cycle you make it more androgenic causing more hair loss problems,
Should I opt for the Anavar again instead?
 
T+Deca/NPP is generally going to be worse than just T simply from the higher androgen load.

Microneedle+Minox might only slow it down a little bit.

It's best to figure out 1. Do you want to actually stop it? or 2. Just shave it/let it fall out on it's own.

Most guys can find a finasteride or dutasteride protocol with none or minimal sides. You can search my thread on both medications.

You can use as little as 1-2 capsules of dutasteride per week or a quarter finasteride 3-7 times per week and see results with drastically reduced risk of sides. Some guys do even better from topical finasteride, even as little as x 3 per week. (concentration matters, as it's absorbed fairly well from the scalp, so too high dose or frequency of topical fina can still cause side effects in some people)


Is your balding noticeable yet? The sooner you start, the better your results will be when it comes to stopping hair loss and reversing it. Most guys will see best regrowth results between 1-2 years, some will see results as early as 4-6 months. You can use "toppik" hair fibers (keratin fibers) to fill in the thin hair while you wait for it grow back or you can get a transplant (Most surgeons like to wait until you've trying to regrow with meds first)
Yes it is noticeable now. It is the crown area. I have thick hair in the front and sides just thinning on top. Not bald but only about 30% hair left in the area. The so is about as big as the rim area of a normal coffee cup at home. It took 12-14 years to get to this size from a dime size when I first noticed.
 
Yes it is noticeable now. It is the crown area. I have thick hair in the front and sides just thinning on top. Not bald but only about 30% hair left in the area. The so is about as big as the rim area of a normal coffee cup at home. It took 12-14 years to get to this size from a dime size when I first noticed.

It's good that it's nice and slow and still some hair there. You do not want to wait until its slick bald.


You want to find the minimum dosage of fina or duta to stop the hair loss. Then you can wait for hair regrowth for 1-2 years, get a transplant or add oral minoxidil (can regrow hair within 2 months sometimes).
 
Few points here. There will be a select few who will attack this but they never refute the science I post anyways and my claims are well backed scientifically and anecdotally.

So 1 test plus deca is almost always a bad combo as deca increases the conversion of testosterone to estrogen making more estrogen and then more prolactin. Prolactin is a big hitter for hair loss.

I use my words with very exact context here so please read when I say anecdotally or scientifically.

Anecdotally, which most my following is largely hair loss sufferers. I have guys who fit the bill to a T for hair loss losing hair off simple TRT doses of testosterone. Very hair loss prone. These guys lose zero hair on deca and even regrew when ran without harsh androgens. Doses upwards of 3000mg a week even.

Where people get confused is the whole androgenic to anabolic ratio of drugs done on rat prostates and the levi ana muscle. We are not rats and these test sites do not matter for androgenic sides across the whole body especially not the scalp. A androgen can bind strongly to one androgenic tissue and not the other well proven in studies. So something that binds strong to the prostate may or may not bind strong to tissue in the scalp, or at all.

In this instance deca anecdotally, keyword here again. Ive had guys run grams and literally regrow hair who were losing it naturally and or losing it on TRT doses of test even. My anecdotal evidence is my thousands of followers, clients etc over a decade now anyone can see them publically online via searching, or I've posted some examples here already.

Am I saying to go pure deca? No Im not. I am just pointing out the difference here science wise and anecdotal wise.

So yes deca plus test combo is horrible for hair loss due to many mechanisms. And no deca does not raise prolactin itself or solo. Studies on deca solo show lowered prolactin not raised. As do my ten years of blood work from thousands of users.

Your options if you care from myself.

Go read my recent hair loss article posted here. You wont find anyone else online who has many, many users who have successfully recovered their hair under one persons regime such as mine. Is there lots of hair loss recovery stories? a few for sure. But all random individuals and as we know 1 person can take this or that item or protocol and see great results and another person takes it and sees zero results. This is all over the hair loss forums with hundreds of thousands of users following the basic rules of finasteride, minxodil, ketoconazole etc with none of the users posting hair loss results basically and all on the forums for years still posting looking for a cure but 5 people out of hundreds of thousands of users saw results so it must be the holy grail. These are just the facts I'm pointing out.

Yet you'll see under my postings/articles my protocol has consistent results unlike no other time and time again. If you read my article you'll see I tackle what science points towards male pattern baldness main root cause. And why most protocols don't work for the majority of people. Or sorry they don't not work its that they see minor slowing of hair loss at best for most and some minor regrowth.

The benefits to my protocol, its 100 percent safe and natural essentially. I don't like finasteride as it blocks whole body DHT and we know balding men have higher locally produced DHT in the scalp and sensitivity, not whole body serum dht levels. So why attack the whole bodies dht level which is needed for important functions like bone and oral health and brain health. Minoxdil I simply don't like mainly because it breaks down collagen and why you will see many users report looking immensely older facially after using it.

My protocol is not strenous and most users extremely half ass it and see results still. Doing the basic oils a couple times a week before a shower even as an example. The main focus you will see in the article is eating better which I explain in-depth as most don't really understand what eating healthy means and fixing circulation via this as well as posture.

Here is the thread below:

Again my users who follow my protocol don't just stop hair loss but actually see regrowth and complete reversal.

Now the other thing to mention which I've posted about here before is. Esters play more of a role then most people understand. Esters are a factor in how androgenic a steroid is. And this is regardless of the release of the hormone as the studies matched blood levels of different esters with different injection patterns and the short esters were still more androgenic then the longer esters. Which is what I am about to explain. So the longer the ester the less androgenic the item was essentially. With release/blood levels matched via injection frequency the short esters were still twice as androgenic as the longer esters. Which gives merit to what bodybuilders have said for decades they feel they cut better on short esters and look tighter. Which also onto this fact, the longer esters were more anabolic and produced more estrogenic. Which sure you've seen endless users have always reported they felt they grew better on longer esters.

None of this above is my opinion btw again I choose my words very carefully. This is all data from studies. Not my opinion, not my research neither.

I also have posted my anecdotal results again of hair loss sufferers simply switching to an even longer ester of testosterone then what they were on and fully stopping hair loss and regrowth happening. With zero other changes. Again this is purely anecdotal but the science matches up and my anecdotal experience and evidence over years backs all this with proof.

So that is my suggestions above.
This is a long thread, but I am reading it entirely. Thank you for posting.
 
This is a long thread, but I am reading it entirely. Thank you for posting.
Read the entire the thread.

Simple safe and effective.

I am one happy ‘customer’

The earlier you intervene the better the results. Know that.

BB knows his stuff. Pay attention.

Take before and after photos. Will make you a believer.
 

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