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The ignorant Doctor’s thread

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I’d like to hear your experience. I’ll start off with a few.

Went to a rheumatologist as I thought I might’ve had chronic fatigue syndrome. She ran bloodwork and my vitamin D came back at 101 range 30-100. She says your vitamin D is too high don’t take any vitamin D supplements and avoid foods with vitamin D. Then she says the rest of your bloodwork is normal if you’re tired all the time you probably have chronic fatigue syndrome here’s a script for Provigil.
Then she says I see you are on TRT how old are you? This was when I was 32. She says wow 32 years old that’s a shame that you are using testosterone at such a young age. I’m like yeah well my natural production was low. She just says “if you exercise more and get some sunlight it will become high you don’t need testosterone at only 32 it’s not recommended until you are in your 70s.” I literally just paid my co-pay and left.

In 2014 I went to a psychiatrist who said “I think you might have a little ADHD you should try Adderall, i’m going to start you at 30 mg two times a day.” I said isn’t that high dose? He said “no you’re a big guy you probably need more.“ I never needed Adderall but the day I tried one I was hooked and now it’s been a problem for over 4 years. I went back to him several times saying I’m not feeling it as much as I used to and he said “hmm maybe you’re developing a little tolerance.”he increased my dose to 120 mg a day. (3) 30mg Adderall IR and (1) 20mg Adderall IR. The pharmacy said they’ve never seen that high and had to make a few calls to fill the script. He later prescribe me Vyvanse at 70mg and said this will help your tolerance as half of it will kick in within an hour and the other half kicks in 4 to 5 hours later. I said isn’t by Vyvanse just dextroamphetamine with lysine attached and when the lysine is cleaved it releases the dextroamphetamine which is equivalent to 40% there you’re essentially just taking 28mg dextroamphetamine that takes maybe an extra hour to be released opposed to normal? He sits there with this blank look on his face and then goes on his laptop and five minutes later says no half is released right away the other half for five hours later. I was mindblown. I swear these doctors just prescribe medications when they’ve never taken them themselves and don’t realize how addictive and harmful they can be.

Then I went to a hematologist who said my blood was too thick and wanted me to do a phlebotomy every 2 weeks. I said wont that tank my ferritin levels? He says “Nahhh ferritin isnt really a big deal. You won’t really notice anything if it’s low.” Low and behold ferritin is extremely important for mitochondrial function and low ferritin is far worse for you than high hemoglobin.

What I’ve concluded is the most knowledgeable people on drugs are not doctors it’s the people who have taken the drugs themselves and experience the negative side effects. They will go to the end of the world doing research when doctors generally go off of all information they learned 40 years ago.
 
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Number 1 deaths under 50 in America is drugs. Most is from prescription drugs. Think about that.
 

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I’d like to hear your experience. I’ll start off with a few.

Went to a rheumatologist as I thought I might’ve had chronic fatigue syndrome. She ran bloodwork and my vitamin D came back at 101 range 30-100. She says your vitamin D is too high don’t take any vitamin D supplements and avoid foods with vitamin D. Then she says the rest of your bloodwork is normal if you’re tired all the time you probably have chronic fatigue syndrome here’s a script for Provigil.
Then she says I see you are on TRT how old are you? This was when I was 32. She says wow 32 years old that’s a shame that you are using testosterone at such a young age. I’m like yeah well my natural production was low. She just says “if you exercise more and get some sunlight it will become high you don’t need testosterone at only 32 it’s not recommended until you are in your 70s.” I literally just paid my co-pay and left.

In 2014 I went to a psychiatrist who said “I think you might have a little ADHD you should try Adderall, i’m going to start you at 30 mg two times a day.” I said isn’t that high dose? He said “no you’re a big guy you probably need more.“ I never needed Adderall but the day I tried one I was hooked and now it’s been a problem for over 4 years. I went back to him several times saying I’m not feeling it as much as I used to and he said “hmm maybe you’re developing a little tolerance.”he increased my dose to 120 mg a day. (3) 30mg Adderall IR and (1) 20mg Adderall IR. The pharmacy said they’ve never seen that high and had to make a few calls to fill the script. He later prescribe me Vyvanse at 70mg and said this will help your tolerance as half of it will kick in within an hour and the other half kicks in 4 to 5 hours later. I said isn’t by Vyvanse just dextroamphetamine with lysine attached and when the lysine is cleaved it releases the dextroamphetamine which is equivalent to 40% there you’re essentially just taking 28mg dextroamphetamine that takes maybe an extra hour to be released opposed to normal? He sits there with this blank look on his face and then goes on his laptop and five minutes later says no half is released right away the other half for five hours later. I was mindblown. I swear these doctors just prescribe medications when they’ve never taken them themselves and don’t realize how addictive and harmful they can be.

Then I went to a hematologist who said my blood was too thick and wanted me to do a phlebotomy every 2 weeks. I said wont that tank my ferritin levels? He says “Nahhh ferritin isnt really a big deal. You won’t really notice anything if it’s low.” Low and behold ferritin is extremely important for mitochondrial function and low ferritin is far worse for you than high hemoglobin.

What I’ve concluded is the most knowledgeable people on drugs are not doctors it’s the people who have taken the drugs themselves and experience the negative side effects. They will go to the end of the world doing research when doctors generally go off of all information they learned 40 years ago.


Haha you have no idea the shit I have heard in only 28 year.(but I have had some marjor health issues, that makes every little thing a bigger deal because they need to cross their ts n drop the Is).None know real life action of people who have interest in knowing their health or know their body. I do understand that people are annoying and just waste their time but fuck they blow off everything you ask 9 out of 10 times, no peace of mind. One thing that stuck out to me was that they have never ever have any experience w these drugs. My mom is a pharm rep, know nothing about anything medical( top in the national sell a fuck ton of drugs) soo this week I tried my doc on a time release dosage and they had no clue how the medicine released but yet “ yes I have a lot a patient on it with a lot success” i was like ya I’m sure yo do, I see the fucking sales rep in here every time I come in please. I am getting sides and tolerance without any relief yet it the best thing since slice bread lol.:mad:they push anything drug that sounds good with a good kickback n sales pitch with a fine ass.
 

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I have several friends in medical school. A few in residency.

Most Google stuff right in front of me when I ask them a specific question...this is not to say there aren't bright doctors out there (considering the hurdles one has to jump through just to get into medical school); but there is a lack of genuine interest that unequivocally forces you to research and study this stuff 24/7 with many doctors. You want to know who the true brainiacs are in medicine? Pathologists; these people understand the body and disease to it's core. Speaking to one makes you feel like your head was buried in the sand for the past decade.

Finding a capable and qualified clinician who is aware or understanding of what bodybuilders do is tough, hell even finding one that genuinely cares for your long term health is hard enough for normal folks.

But a higher emphasis must be placed on this nowadays; people will shop for the best mechanics for their cars, but not give a second thought to the guy looking after their long term health.

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Number 1 deaths under 50 in America is drugs. Most is from prescription drugs. Think about that.

from overdoses u mean. how bout qualifying that?
prescription and heroin.
not "drugs" in general.
hell, cleveland clinic doc gave me an opiate scrip after i told him 3 times not to cuz "i like them too much" direct quote.
he said if u dont wanna fill it, dont.....
what'd i godam say? who isnt gonna fill a $10 scrip of something u love but is addictive? but u love it....
had it in my hand in the car, was gonna tear it up. didnt.
and that moment in 2008 is why im in the situation i am now. cuz of some back pain. will always be an addict.
in other news, my aunt went to the hospital, again cleveland area, and was told she has cancer 6 months to live.
week and a half later- oh, our mistake. u dont have cancer, sorry for worrying everyone u know!
 

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You want to know who the true brainiacs are in medicine? Pathologists; these people understand the body and disease to it's core. Speaking to one makes you feel like your head was buried in the sand for the past decade.

You aren't kidding! My uncle is a retired pathologist, retired from that when he was in his mid 70s. He is now 81 years old and still the main county coroner! He has trained countless young docs in the field and I remember his frustration doing so, because so many just didn't get it. He is the guy that goes to court for murders and such, to testify. It doesn't matter what question I ask him, he can go on and on in depth. Really knows his shit. When I was an undergrad I used to go in to the hospital on weekends and help him do autopsies. Pathologists really are some of the smartest doctors that their patients will never know. My uncle used to say that his job was great because so many of his patients don't talk back!
 

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in other news, my aunt went to the hospital, again cleveland area, and was told she has cancer 6 months to live.
week and a half later- oh, our mistake. u dont have cancer, sorry for worrying everyone u know!

Hearing this kind of thing now more and more it seems.
 

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Call me a conspiranoid, but I'm sure a lot of patients diagnosed with cancer or other diseases, were really healthy.
 

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What do you call a medical student that finishes the last in their class? Answer: a doctor.


The training is just like any other field, there are going to be some that are brighter than others and some that are not so much. Most of the specialists are going to be the brighter ones I think. All of the specialists I see are great, but the endocrinologist is probably the low man on the totem pole. You can see it in their compensation too. I was telling my hematologist how hard it was to find a good endocrinologist and he said that there aren't very many because the pay is so poor. GPs don't get paid a lot either.
 

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Call me a conspiranoid, but I'm sure a lot of patients diagnosed with cancer or other diseases, were really healthy.

Yeah, and Bush was behind 911. LOL. Just foolin! :p
 

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I recently picked up the bad habit of smoking cigarettes which I plan on stopping next week. I was talking to my cardiologist and I asked him are they really that bad. His response was “well let’s put it this way if they werent around Id lose a lot of business.” Hes the best cardiologist I’ve ever been to and very knowledgeable. He said he knows a lot of people in the FDA and what causes most diseases in cigarettes are ingredients that nobody knows what it is. He said you have no idea what they put in there that will never be disclosed.
 

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*Remember your doctor works for you not the other way around*

Most of our parents and grandparents took the doctors opinion over anything and didnt research because "they were a doctor" and presumed them trustworthy. Its called practicing medicine for a reason

At 14 years old I moved from a very populated area from a high populated area and city life. I had issues adjusting, along with that my parents were super strict, no Tv, women must wear dresses, not cut hair, etc, no bowling alley, stuff that made no sense. No rock n roll, etc..I rebelled.

My parents took me to a psychologist or psychiatrist, who recommend the doctor put me on 2-4 different drugs, wellbutin, ritalin, my dad said clonapine ..I didnt even know what I was taking. I do know my sex drive went down, I cried a lot and was majorily depressed..I remember crying in my room over Kurt Cobain artile , and was into nirvana years before that and never cried....I remember being so low...

I faked suicide , and the ambulance came and after they did cpr I woke up.They sent me off to a rehab center to cleanse me of my "rebellion" and the psychatrist tried putting me on another drug. I was already in a bad place, and I was 6ft2 by the time I was this age, and he tried putting ti down my mouth and I swatted it away. They called security and it took four men to put me in a room, as i was good at wrestling and fighting from being riased in the city.

they threw me in a room which i destroyed i punched the glass with my fist drawing blood on my head and taking the glass and marking the room up. I was sent off to property of the state from 3-4 months, where I was given medicine every morning, they reduce the drugs , and eventually when I got out, I came off then thanks to a lovely british women who liked me.

My point is do your research and dont take a doctors word. Now a days with the internet we have the knowledge they have, and even then we're sometimes =-) more researched then them.

the days of old and doing what the doctor said bc he/she knew what was good for you are gone .
 

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in other news, my aunt went to the hospital, again cleveland area, and was told she has cancer 6 months to live.
week and a half later- oh, our mistake. u dont have cancer, sorry for worrying everyone u know!

My good friend was told he had a brain tumor and had 1 year to live. He spent an entire year depressed knowing his wife and daughter would be alone when he passed. He was always so somber as you can imagine. After a year of mental anguish he got another doctor to look at his brain scan. The new doctor said, “That’s not a tumor. It’s just a shadow on the scan. You don’t have anything wrong with you.” Can you guys believe the hell he went through all because an “expert” didn’t know his to properly examine a brain scan?
Most people would sue for punitive damages and win millions. My friend said that people are human and mistakes happen. He since went to divinity school and became a preacher-man.
 

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My good friend was told he had a brain tumor and had 1 year to live. He spent an entire year depressed knowing his wife and daughter would be alone when he passed. He was always so somber as you can imagine. After a year of mental anguish he got another doctor to look at his brain scan. The new doctor said, “That’s not a tumor. It’s just a shadow on the scan. You don’t have anything wrong with you.” Can you guys believe the hell he went through all because an “expert” didn’t know his to properly examine a brain scan?
Most people would sue for punitive damages and win millions. My friend said that people are human and mistakes happen. He since went to divinity school and became a preacher-man.

Oh man. I could only imagine how he felt. A combination of relieved and pissed off. Good to hear that for you and your friend.
 

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I said isn’t by Vyvanse just dextroamphetamine with lysine attached and when the lysine is cleaved it releases the dextroamphetamine which is equivalent to 40% there you’re essentially just taking 28mg dextroamphetamine that takes maybe an extra hour to be released opposed to normal? He sits there with this blank look on his face

Brilliant!
 

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I have several friends in medical school. A few in residency.

Most Google stuff right in front of me when I ask them a specific question...this is not to say there aren't bright doctors out there (considering the hurdles one has to jump through just to get into medical school); but there is a lack of genuine interest that unequivocally forces you to research and study this stuff 24/7 with many doctors. You want to know who the true brainiacs are in medicine? Pathologists; these people understand the body and disease to it's core. Speaking to one makes you feel like your head was buried in the sand for the past decade.

Finding a capable and qualified clinician who is aware or understanding of what bodybuilders do is tough, hell even finding one that genuinely cares for your long term health is hard enough for normal folks.


But a higher emphasis must be placed on this nowadays; people will shop for the best mechanics for their cars, but not give a second thought to the guy looking after their long term health.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

See that’s the problem most individuals who are smart coming up are put into a pattern of “good future” (even though only the top specialist are the only ones getting paid half decent these day). They are graduating from high school at the top of the class pushes them right into picking from the following being accounting , medical , law, engineering, politics , tech now and so on. Most of these people have no passion they just do what their surroundings expects them to be beacause society for generations says these are the fields that are most respected.

I low have a friend that is slow af and is now a practicing doc, all I have to say is wtf I bring up the most basic shit and he can even give me a general synopsis. This was directly out of his mouth” it’s not hard to be a doctor and you have to do is read none stop” I told him your fucking retarded and as soon as you can start writing scripts here my list .

I feel bad for doctors and others that put so many years into education and they are slaves to these big powerful insurance companies and have to hold all the liability for every little thing they do to try and help someone.


Like, people have said there are good one and bad ones in every field
 

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My good friend was told he had a brain tumor and had 1 year to live. He spent an entire year depressed knowing his wife and daughter would be alone when he passed. He was always so somber as you can imagine. After a year of mental anguish he got another doctor to look at his brain scan. The new doctor said, “That’s not a tumor. It’s just a shadow on the scan. You don’t have anything wrong with you.” Can you guys believe the hell he went through all because an “expert” didn’t know his to properly examine a brain scan?
Most people would sue for punitive damages and win millions. My friend said that people are human and mistakes happen. He since went to divinity school and became a preacher-man.


I,hope your friends praised whoever he preys to, gave that doctor who found the right diagnosis the biggest huge, rejoyest the new to his family ad friends and went straight to an Antony. The fucking doc rob your friend of not only a year of his life but soo much more. When you hear you have cancer you life changes forever.
 

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Number 1 deaths under 50 in America is drugs. Most is from prescription drugs. Think about that.

And medical error is considered the third leading cause of death. Scary stuff
 

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I’d like to hear your experience. I’ll start off with a few.

Went to a rheumatologist as I thought I might’ve had chronic fatigue syndrome. She ran bloodwork and my vitamin D came back at 101 range 30-100. She says your vitamin D is too high don’t take any vitamin D supplements and avoid foods with vitamin D. Then she says the rest of your bloodwork is normal if you’re tired all the time you probably have chronic fatigue syndrome here’s a script for Provigil.
Then she says I see you are on TRT how old are you? This was when I was 32. She says wow 32 years old that’s a shame that you are using testosterone at such a young age. I’m like yeah well my natural production was low. She just says “if you exercise more and get some sunlight it will become high you don’t need testosterone at only 32 it’s not recommended until you are in your 70s.” I literally just paid my co-pay and left.

In 2014 I went to a psychiatrist who said “I think you might have a little ADHD you should try Adderall, i’m going to start you at 30 mg two times a day.” I said isn’t that high dose? He said “no you’re a big guy you probably need more.“ I never needed Adderall but the day I tried one I was hooked and now it’s been a problem for over 4 years. I went back to him several times saying I’m not feeling it as much as I used to and he said “hmm maybe you’re developing a little tolerance.”he increased my dose to 120 mg a day. (3) 30mg Adderall IR and (1) 20mg Adderall IR. The pharmacy said they’ve never seen that high and had to make a few calls to fill the script. He later prescribe me Vyvanse at 70mg and said this will help your tolerance as half of it will kick in within an hour and the other half kicks in 4 to 5 hours later. I said isn’t by Vyvanse just dextroamphetamine with lysine attached and when the lysine is cleaved it releases the dextroamphetamine which is equivalent to 40% there you’re essentially just taking 28mg dextroamphetamine that takes maybe an extra hour to be released opposed to normal? He sits there with this blank look on his face and then goes on his laptop and five minutes later says no half is released right away the other half for five hours later. I was mindblown. I swear these doctors just prescribe medications when they’ve never taken them themselves and don’t realize how addictive and harmful they can be.

Then I went to a hematologist who said my blood was too thick and wanted me to do a phlebotomy every 2 weeks. I said wont that tank my ferritin levels? He says “Nahhh ferritin isnt really a big deal. You won’t really notice anything if it’s low.” Low and behold ferritin is extremely important for mitochondrial function and low ferritin is far worse for you than high hemoglobin.

What I’ve concluded is the most knowledgeable people on drugs are not doctors it’s the people who have taken the drugs themselves and experience the negative side effects. They will go to the end of the world doing research when doctors generally go off of all information they learned 40 years ago.

Saw an extremely rude hematologist who basically told me the same. Wanted phlebotomies every two weeks as well when my hematocrit was 54. I referenced things I read online and she told me her 30 years of experience outweighs anything I read on google. I since learned I was donating too much for nothing and all I had to do was use ED TRT and that my low platelets, fibrinogen, galectin 3, and lack of clotting disorders protected me from those kinds of events with that hematocrit. No chance that hematologist would know anything about any of that.
 
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