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I've read through tons of posts about GH and thyroid. Most believed it's necessary to take T4 with high dosed HGH while some didn't (type II I believe). So I thought it would be worth to post my bloods here. My results are on 10-12IUs of optis daily. I've never used thyroid meds.
TSH 4.73 mIU/l (0.40-4.00 mIU/l
fT3 4.57 pmol/l (2.40-6.00 pmol/l)
fT4 9.6 pmol/l (9.0-19.0 pmol/l)
Other labs:
Insulin 5.5 mIU/l (2.0-20.0 mIU/l)
Potassium 5.6 mmol/l (3.5-5.1 mmol/l) - shit. I had to hop on ramipril 10mg a month ago to get my bp in order on a higher test cycle (already was on 80mg telmisartan and 10mg nebivolol).
TSH is high meaning there's not enough thyroid hormone. T4 is almost out of the bottom range. It seems like I need to get on some T4 asap? 200mcg? Thoughts? Would doing GH EOD let my thyroid bounce back while I'm waiting for the T4 to arrive?
9.6 pmol is literally 0.74 ng/dL Free T4, that is extremely low and a hypothyroid level of Free T4 (despite the lab range which suggests "normal" like saying 300 ng/dL total T is normal in a 19 year old male). The Free T3 is actually also on the lower end of normal, so your conversion is not keeping up, your TSH is also high, in the "subclinical" hypothyroid range.
Generally, HGH can improve GFR and kidney function, however hypothyroidism lowers glomerular filtration rate and you will see GFR go down. GFR can also be elevated when you carry more muscle than average or eat very high protein/take creatine as you will be producing more "nitrogenous waste", this is one reason we used to have GFR and African GFR (Africans have higher average GFR/muscle mass/etc)
Make sure you are very well hydrated when testing kidney functions, as even slight dehydration can give different results. (clear to pale yellow urine)
and finally, remember that +10 IU GH per day is acromegaly territory and it's extremely unphysiological, so seeing the body systems go haywire is not unexpected at all. The first and most common thing to go is usually the insulin sensitivity. Healthy average Teenager will secrete about 3-5 IU daily (in pulses, not one or two giant shots per day) and you won't see numbers higher than 3 IU per day in a 27 year old either.