To those of you who are always on

[JohnnyPro]

To those who are like the Energizer bunny and just keep going, and going and going.... I was wondering, do you have to use hcg? Or can you get by on clomid and nolva while bridging? I am mainly concerned with testicular shrinkage.

 

[mike1107]

To those who are like the Energizer bunny and just keep going, and going and going.... I was wondering, do you have to use hcg? Or can you get by on clomid and nolva while bridging? I am mainly concerned with testicular shrinkage.

I would say it's not worth to add something like HCG / clomid cause once u add exogenous testosterone by example, ur body stop produces it and that's why those products are used for ....

I think I heard some guys who had testicular shrinkage cases but they used another products than HCG while on, can't remember the name

 

[sammarbella]

I would say it's not worth to add something like HCG / clomid cause once u add exogenous testosterone by example, ur body stop produces it and that's why those products are used for ....

I think I heard some guys who had testicular shrinkage cases but they used another products than HCG while on, can't remember the name

I must disagree....

The main reason to take HCG on cycle is not to produce test (normal test production can add very little to a serious AAS cycle)....is to PREVENT excessive shrinkage during cycle.

It's easy to prevent shrinkage than recover shrinkage...sometimes is not possible to recover "raisin" size testes.

In a few simple words:

The AAS use is detected by the body and it stops the production of LH, this suppression cause the testes to stop testestosterone production.(Testes produce testosterone in response to LH action in Leydig cells...).

Testes are organs...when organs are not used they normally shrink (like muscles...this is an analogy of course...).

HCG is an hormone who mimicks the LH action in the body making the testes to work and preventing their atrophy.

HMG could help with sperma production, also for clomid but for test shrinkage HCG is the best....well the best is LH but is expensive nad no need to use it if you have HCG it mimicks it perfectly.

 

[JohnnyPro]

ok I've read up on hcg and I think I should use it for my next cycle. So basically I just mix the fluid with the powder and inject? Can I mix it with test and inject in the glute?

 

[sammarbella]

Read this article:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1190&highlight=swale

 

[edge250]

i use 250-500iu per week every week that i am on.

 

[JohnnyPro]

edge, do you mix it in a sterile vial, like 20ml size? Then store it in the fridge?

 

[edge250]

edge, do you mix it in a sterile vial, like 20ml size? Then store it in the fridge?

i have 2000iu vials

 

[bigmax]

Do you have good results with such a low dose? I use 250-500iu per week every week that i am on.

I usually take a higer dose, 500ui every 3/4 days, but I was planning to lower the dosage...

 

[sammarbella]

I usually take a higer dose, 500ui every 3/4 days, but I was planning to lower the dosage...

I take 500 I.U. E5D while on, i think that 250 E3D will be better or even 200 E2D but i'm tired of so much pins...and a little bit lazy

 

[bigmax]

I take 500 I.U. E5D while on, i think that 250 E3D will be better or even 200 E2D but i'm tired of so much pins...and a little bit lazy

ah, for me its not a problem... by the moment that i'm on hgh/slin cycle with 3-4 shots ed... I could do 100ui ed with no trouble added... a pin more, a pin less... I don't give a damn anymore.
I always inject subq. it should be better also for a longer time release.

 

[sammarbella]

... by the moment that i'm on hgh/slin cycle with 3-4 shots ed...

Sorry to be O/T but this interst me.

I'm also on HGH/Slin but only PWO at 10 I.U each (30 min apart) on top of my bulking cycle.

What are you doing with HGH/slin?

Something like 2 takes daily like 2/10 I.U HGH (then slin) Breakfast and PWO?

 

[bigmax]

Sorry to be O/T but this interst me.

I'm also on HGH/Slin but only PWO at 10 I.U each (30 min apart) on top of my bulking cycle.

What are you doing with HGH/slin?

Something like 2 takes daily like 2/10 I.U HGH (then slin) Breakfast and PWO?

I'm cutting, I know it could sound strange to cut with slin but my protocol includes also a test base (200/250) and winny (200), the intention is to keep high igf-1 levels and gain/mantain the maximum quality while cutting no matter if it wil take more time, I have no hurry
My slin intake is 7ui immediately PW, in the rest days I take chlorpropamide to keep my insulin resistance low, i'm on this cycle since about 10 days and i'm loosing weight without loosing volume, by now its working well.
I take 3.3ui of HGH and split it in 3 doses, one every 8 hrs.

 

[mike1107]

I must disagree....

The main reason to take HCG on cycle is not to produce test (normal test production can add very little to a serious AAS cycle)....is to PREVENT excessive shrinkage during cycle.

It's easy to prevent shrinkage than recover shrinkage...sometimes is not possible to recover "raisin" size testes.

In a few simple words:

The AAS use is detected by the body and it stops the production of LH, this suppression cause the testes to stop testestosterone production.(Testes produce testosterone in response to LH action in Leydig cells...).

Testes are organs...when organs are not used they normally shrink (like muscles...this is an analogy of course...).

HCG is an hormone who mimicks the LH action in the body making the testes to work and preventing their atrophy.

HMG could help with sperma production, also for clomid but for test shrinkage HCG is the best....well the best is LH but is expensive nad no need to use it if you have HCG it mimicks it perfectly.

something better exists for testicular shrinkage, don't remember the name though

 

[bigmax]

something better exists for testicular shrinkage, don't remember the name though

You mean gonadorelin?

Gonadorelin is a man-made protein that is like a hormone in the body called gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH causes the pituitary gland to release other hormones including luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). LH and FSH are important for proper development in children and fertility in adults.

 

[sammarbella]

I'm cutting, I know it could sound strange to cut with slin but my protocol includes also a test base (200/250) and winny (200), the intention is to keep high igf-1 levels and gain/mantain the maximum quality while cutting no matter if it wil take more time, I have no hurry
My slin intake is 7ui immediately PW, in the rest days I take chlorpropamide to keep my insulin resistance low, i'm on this cycle since about 10 days and i'm loosing weight without loosing volume, by now its working well.
I take 3.3ui of HGH and split it in 3 doses, one every 8 hrs.

Not strange, dangerous...hypo is very possible on low carb/cutting diet.

chlorpropamide?

I'm on metformin on my off slin days.

What are the advantages do you found from chlorpropamide compared to metformin?

IMO your test and HGH intake are too low but it's your body.

I'll prefer at least 500 Test e/week and HGH 2x2 i.u. or better 3x2 i.u for your cutting cycle.

Good luck.

 

[sammarbella]

You mean gonadorelin?

Don't think so.

Maybe he tough about HMG (good for sperm count) or FSH but for the test shrinkage the best is to take HCG ot LH itself (no needed cause we can use HCG cheaper and works like LH in body...HRT/TRT use HCG for this reason..).

Gonarelin will be usefull if it was a physical problem in the pituitary gland who turns it unnable to resume GnRH production.(damaged organ or very looooong cycle).

This problem will be clear with a blood test when test levels are low again...LH production will be resumed fast if not Gonarelin (GnRH)could help.

It's not the case here.

Here the test shrink cause we have supraphisiological test levels.

In a few words:

HPTA is shutted down cause exo test is used then the body stops to produce GnRH-LH-FSH that stops the leydig cells to produce test and that produce test shrinkage over time.

After cycle ends and when the body detects low test levels it resume fast to produce GnRH-LH-FSH and testes resume to produce test...if testes has normal size (if not HCG could help to recover) or enough sensitivity to endo LH (if not HCG could help also providing supraphisiological LH mimicking hormone...).

 

[bigmax]

Not strange, dangerous...hypo is very possible on low carb/cutting diet.

chlorpropamide?

I'm on metformin on my off slin days.

What are the advantages do you found from chlorpropamide compared to metformin?

IMO your test and HGH intake are too low but it's your body.

I'll prefer at least 500 Test e/week and HGH 2x2 i.u. or better 3x2 i.u for your cutting cycle.

Good luck.

To run on slin I'm having all my carbs in post-workout meal (usually most part is glucose or honey) plus at breakfast, so I can limit my carb intake to 80g safely.

My preference for chlorpropamide over met is just because its milder then metformin itself, using it on my off slin days is perfect because there's no time for a complete recovery for glucose tolerance, I use met when the slin cycle is over or if I'm planning a slin cycle, first because I found it works at its best when taken continuously, second: using met this way it operates real changes in body composition, after 12 weeks on met in the following slin cycle you can double or even triple the slin effect on muscle pumps, using a smaller dose.

Talking about test and HGH: I started this cycle also in order to full joint recovery and you know in this case high test doses do not help, this lead me to limit the test dose, I was on 125mg, now I'm on 250, I saw good results anyway on both performance and joint health. My natural level of HGH are incredibly low for my age (less then half minimum during workout) so my body is responding to 3.3ui as it was more because became very sensitive to HGH thru the years (that's good for my wallet) anyway I jus tarted my first cycle, it will last 3 months, if I will need to adjust the dose I'll do it.

 

[bigmax]

Don't think so.

Maybe he tough about HMG (good for sperm count) or FSH but for the test shrinkage the best is to take HCG ot LH itself (no needed cause we can use HCG cheaper and works like LH in body...HRT/TRT use HCG for this reason..).

Gonarelin will be usefull if it was a physical problem in the pituitary gland who turns it unnable to resume GnRH production.(damaged organ or very looooong cycle).

Assuming HCG use is crucial duting the whole cyle, gonadorelin is a good way to shorten recovery, there is an italian product named Kryptocur, its a gonadorelin nasal spray, usually it can restore your LH/FSH levels in 3 days of treatment.

 

[sammarbella]

To run on slin I'm having all my carbs in post-workout meal (usually most part is glucose or honey) plus at breakfast, so I can limit my carb intake to 80g safely.

My preference for chlorpropamide over met is just because its milder then metformin itself, using it on my off slin days is perfect because there's no time for a complete recovery for glucose tolerance, I use met when the slin cycle is over or if I'm planning a slin cycle, first because I found it works at its best when taken continuously, second: using met this way it operates real changes in body composition, after 12 weeks on met in the following slin cycle you can double or even triple the slin effect on muscle pumps, using a smaller dose.

Talking about test and HGH: I started this cycle also in order to full joint recovery and you know in this case high test doses do not help, this lead me to limit the test dose, I was on 125mg, now I'm on 250, I saw good results anyway on both performance and joint health. My natural level of HGH are incredibly low for my age (less then half minimum during workout) so my body is responding to 3.3ui as it was more because became very sensitive to HGH thru the years (that's good for my wallet) anyway I jus tarted my first cycle, it will last 3 months, if I will need to adjust the dose I'll do it.

I really feel a difference in slin sensitivity using Metformin.

I'll take a look at chlorpropamide...

High test could be bad for joints BUT nothing comparable to winny...

...I KNOW his ability to DRY JOINTS!

If you have problems with your joints FORGET winny right now...or regreat it.

EQ is a better companion for test if you have joint issues.

Maybe you know it but look the info on here:

**broken link removed**

The bad about EQ cutting is the increased appetite.