today i learned a lesson in genetics

buselmo · Jan 20, 2010

The team coach called me a while ago and asked me to compete, and as a favor to him i told him i will (just to get the team some extra points, even if it means getting last place)... anyway, i went today to pose and show him how fat i was and there was another teammate there... I cannot tell you how good this guy's physique was. he was 5'5 and weighed around 175 lbs... not much right? yeah, that's if you just look at the numbers. I thought he weighed 220 or something. the guy had arms that weren't less than 19 inches (mine are around 18-18.5 depending on the day, and this guy dwarfed me)... I couldn't stop staring at the dude! (no homo... LOL!)

anyway, we started joking around and talking then he started asking me how to site inject in his lats and traps... etc. so i told him how, then i told him that it aint a good idea since his physique was very symmetrical and balanced. I couldn't help myself and asked what he was using... so he mentioned the list... nothing out of the norm of someone being truthful... around 2 grams of total AAS and 8 iu gh per day.

what am i trying to say here... the guy is not very intelligent... can't read a word of english... his idea of getting dry before the show is to drink a bottle of jack daniels the night before (he actually said that in a gym that had a lot of people in it while the subject of alcohol is very taboo in my country... that's how i knew he was truthful about a lot of other things)... knows nothing about diet (he gave me advice on how to get lean quick... swallow as many tabs of clen as you can...)... his response to gear is like nothing i've ever seen (saw him at a show two years ago and he looked very bad, when i asked him about it and how he improved, he just said more gear)...

anyway, no one can get those kinds of results unless they have tremendous response to gear. no one can get that kind of muscle quality unless they were born with it (you had to see this guy. i'll try to take a pic next time)... the dude was the epitome of genetics for muscle growth...

and this is where the story takes an awful turn...

the coach took me to his office and we started talking and he talked about this guy... his father kicked him out of the house for being an awful son (our culture is based on family... it's pretty normal to live with your parents even if you're over 30 and married), he can't hold a job, spends all his money on gear and alcohol, he's an alcoholic, doesn't even have a high school diploma... etc.

I felt really bad for the guy and that's when i realized it... we are all genetically gifted in many areas... sometimes muscle building isn't one of them. if you don't have above average abilities to build muscle and utilize gear (like myself) please be thankful for the other gifts you have. I know that every one is gifted (greatly gifted) in a certain way... most people don't know what they're gift is because they didn't explore to find it.

my point of this thread isn't to talk about gear usage or muscle building or anything to do with bodybuilding... my point is for everyone to discover their own gift and be thankful for it instead of being wrapped up in all the negativity i've seen recently in many threads about bodybuilding genetics. you love bodybuilding? you want to advance? good for you... try hard and don't let anyone stop you if that's what you really want (do whatever makes you happy)... but if you find your true gift and embrace it, life will look better and you'll actually be happy with your bodybuilding accomplishments even if you thought they weren't enough.

just thought i'd share (attention whoring... LOL!)

Jcagle · Jan 20, 2010

Man, thanks for the post. This is just what I needed. I am so focused on growing this off-season that I tend not to look at all that I have and accomplished in my life. Which is a great one! I have so much to be thankful for! Glad I am not the only one that feels down for feeling fat....call it off season blues eh!

maldorf · Jan 20, 2010

I was just thinking about this subject today. Little story of my own. My daughter in 2nd grade is not doing so well in Taikwondo. The girl across the street is one year younger and breaking all kinds of boards, while my daughter has a really hard time breaking the beginner board for yellow belt. My daughter is small for her age and is very shy and non agressive, and this is one of the reason I had her do this because I was hoping to give her more self confidence. My daughter is dwarfed by the neighbor girl. The other girl is much taller and weighs 65 lbs at the age of 6 1/2. My daughter is 7 1/2 and weighs about 42 lbs.
I was getting frustrated watching her struggles in class, but then I rememberd how the other girl cant really read yet and she is in 1st grade. My daughter taught herself to read, literally, and was reading childrens books a bit before she entered kindergarten. So we all really do have talents. Nobody can expect to be talented in everything that they do. If you are not talented like some others, it doesnt mean you need to quit. It just means you have to work harder to be able to keep up with those gifted people and even then you probably wont be able to equal their results.

jalsmiley · Jan 20, 2010

good read B...had a similar thought today...an old aquaintance reminded me of his first and only try at gear...he has not much idea about diet...drinks and parties quite a bit, not even that knowledgeable about working out but his whole family is very large...he is 6 2" and mid 250's lb, anyway, he was benching about 315 max for a couple reps...well, he started taking dbols...only eating about 5 pinks a day...i told him in about two weeks it should hit him with some strength and weight increases, well, about 8 days in his strength goes up , weight up a little bit...and by week 3 he is repping 4 plates like a warm-up..he was so scared about something not being right! and maybe getting injured with throwing around so much weight that he flushed them down the toilet...wish i had that reaction to 4dbs a day...anyway, he cant hold a job, can barely put a complete sentence together etc etc...so genetically gifted one way, very deficient in others!!

klowndog · Jan 20, 2010

Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful pathetic people

I've been thinking about genetics alot lately, not only mine, but the world's gene pool. By natural law(survival of the fittest, without technology, medicine, etc.), I would not be alive today. How many people would actually be here today if we were still ruled by natural law? I am nearsighted and cannot see 2 feet in front of me, so I would not survive in the wild based on that alone. So genetically, I would not have made it one million years ago. How could I have hunted, etc?

In our socity today with "welfare" we are defying natural law. Natural law says if you cant feed your babies then they will die. Welfare steps in and feeds the babies. In the wild, only the strong survive.

What I am getting at is that we have evolved into what we are through millions of years of natural law, survival of the fittest. Now we are reversing it. Every genetically challenged, cross eyed, buck toothed, stupid fat chick is popping out 5 kids just so they can draw a "welfare" check. The natural law now is "Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful" and take it out of the Alpha Males ass! Am I thinking like a Nazi here, or does anybody feel my pain? Just got my taxes back and I have to pay the bastards damn near 10% of my hard earned money.

maldorf · Jan 20, 2010

klowndog said:
I've been thinking about genetics alot lately, not only mine, but the world's gene pool. By natural law(survival of the fittest, without technology, medicine, etc.), I would not be alive today. How many people would actually be here today if we were still ruled by natural law? I am nearsighted and cannot see 2 feet in front of me, so I would not survive in the wild based on that alone. So genetically, I would not have made it one million years ago. How could I have hunted, etc?

In our socity today with "welfare" we are defying natural law. Natural law says if you cant feed your babies then they will die. Welfare steps in and feeds the babies. In the wild, only the strong survive.

What I am getting at is that we have evolved into what we are through millions of years of natural law, survival of the fittest. Now we are reversing it. Every genetically challenged, cross eyed, buck toothed, stupid fat chick is popping out 5 kids just so they can draw a "welfare" check. The natural law now is "Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful" and take it out of the Alpha Males ass! Am I thinking like a Nazi here, or does anybody feel my pain? Just got my taxes back and I have to pay the bastards damn near 10% of my hard earned money.

I agree theoretically, but practically there isnt a whole lot we can do about it without being unethical. What should we do with babies that are born with down syndrome? Back in anchient Rome they would take such babies up mount Olympus and leave them there to die.
What should we do about people that keep having kids that they cannot afford? Not provide them any funds to care for the children? Let the children get ill and starve to death? Is it the fault of the child that he/she was born into this world?
10% tax is pretty low. I think for most its closer to 20%. I just looked at our W2 and our taxes were 21% (fed + state + local). It makes me really angry too, but I dont know what the answer is.

klowndog · Jan 20, 2010

maldorf said:
I agree theoretically, but practically there isnt a whole lot we can do about it without being unethical. What should we do with babies that are born with down syndrome? Back in anchient Rome they would take such babies up mount Olympus and leave them there to die.
What should we do about people that keep having kids that they cannot afford? Not provide them any funds to care for the children? Let the children get ill and starve to death? Is it the fault of the child that he/she was born into this world?
10% tax is pretty low. I think for most its closer to 20%. I just looked at our W2 and our taxes were 21% (fed + state + local). It makes me really angry too, but I dont know what the answer is.

Natural law is not ethical. It doesn't have feelings. If you ever wonder why there are so many dumbfucks in the world today, it's because we no longer allow nature to weed out the scum the way it is supposed to.

10% was just Federal tax. That doesn't count the social security which I won't be getting when it's my time. Under current policy, if someone has a baby with down syndrome, the taxpaying citizens get to feed/clothe/shelter it for the duration of it's life. That's where the social security money that I am paying for and wont end up getting is going. I am all for that. We should have some kind of limitations though. If you have one kid thats mentally ill while youre on welfare, then a second, would it be unethical to require that person be sterilized, or should they be allowed to breed rampantly, knowing they are only going to continue to suck blood? What if they have two kids in a row with issues? Then could they be sterilized?

hawkmoon · Jan 20, 2010

Good post Buselmo, as usual.

Not all of us have the genes to easily achieve our goals, or perhaps never even get close to our goals. But sometimes in life appreciating what you have and finding some satisfaction in the struggle can be very rewarding.

gelatine · Jan 21, 2010

klowndog said:
Every genetically challenged, cross eyed, buck toothed, stupid fat chick is popping out 5 kids just so they can draw a "welfare" check. The natural law now is "Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful" and take it out of the Alpha Males ass! Am I thinking like a Nazi here, or does anybody feel my pain? Just got my taxes back and I have to pay the bastards damn near 10% of my hard earned money.

I think what you're getting at is called "tyranny of the majority".

That said, I would absolutely love to only have 10% taxes.

Federal: ~20%
State: ~5%
City: 12% sales tax
Payroll tax: 7%
Property tax: 7%

That's 50% of my income and I don't even get a decent healthcare plan out of it (my good plan from last year went to shit). I might as well just go flush the money down the toilet with the way the government likes to spend their money.

nandro · Jan 21, 2010

buselmo said:
The team coach called me a while ago and asked me to compete, and as a favor to him i told him i will (just to get the team some extra points, even if it means getting last place)... anyway, i went today to pose and show him how fat i was and there was another teammate there... I cannot tell you how good this guy's physique was. he was 5'5 and weighed around 175 lbs... not much right? yeah, that's if you just look at the numbers. I thought he weighed 220 or something. the guy had arms that weren't less than 19 inches (mine are around 18-18.5 depending on the day, and this guy dwarfed me)... I couldn't stop staring at the dude! (no homo... LOL!)

anyway, we started joking around and talking then he started asking me how to site inject in his lats and traps... etc. so i told him how, then i told him that it aint a good idea since his physique was very symmetrical and balanced. I couldn't help myself and asked what he was using... so he mentioned the list... nothing out of the norm of someone being truthful... around 2 grams of total AAS and 8 iu gh per day.

what am i trying to say here... the guy is not very intelligent... can't read a word of english... his idea of getting dry before the show is to drink a bottle of jack daniels the night before (he actually said that in a gym that had a lot of people in it while the subject of alcohol is very taboo in my country... that's how i knew he was truthful about a lot of other things)... knows nothing about diet (he gave me advice on how to get lean quick... swallow as many tabs of clen as you can...)... his response to gear is like nothing i've ever seen (saw him at a show two years ago and he looked very bad, when i asked him about it and how he improved, he just said more gear)...

anyway, no one can get those kinds of results unless they have tremendous response to gear. no one can get that kind of muscle quality unless they were born with it (you had to see this guy. i'll try to take a pic next time)... the dude was the epitome of genetics for muscle growth...

and this is where the story takes an awful turn...

the coach took me to his office and we started talking and he talked about this guy... his father kicked him out of the house for being an awful son (our culture is based on family... it's pretty normal to live with your parents even if you're over 30 and married), he can't hold a job, spends all his money on gear and alcohol, he's an alcoholic, doesn't even have a high school diploma... etc.

I felt really bad for the guy and that's when i realized it... we are all genetically gifted in many areas... sometimes muscle building isn't one of them. if you don't have above average abilities to build muscle and utilize gear (like myself) please be thankful for the other gifts you have. I know that every one is gifted (greatly gifted) in a certain way... most people don't know what they're gift is because they didn't explore to find it.

my point of this thread isn't to talk about gear usage or muscle building or anything to do with bodybuilding... my point is for everyone to discover their own gift and be thankful for it instead of being wrapped up in all the negativity i've seen recently in many threads about bodybuilding genetics. you love bodybuilding? you want to advance? good for you... try hard and don't let anyone stop you if that's what you really want (do whatever makes you happy)... but if you find your true gift and embrace it, life will look better and you'll actually be happy with your bodybuilding accomplishments even if you thought they weren't enough.

just thought i'd share (attention whoring... LOL!)

genetics...i find many of the guys i talk to who are physically genetically gifted having very little knowledge on nutrition, training, and gear. everyone trying to make this out to be a super science. its been going on since the beginning with people buying magazines and the very first supplements and its still going on. always looking for the secret to growth. those who are gifted will know right away...others will continue to do hours and hours of research, training methods, exotic drugs, and diets and granted will improve but will never match the "corn fed country boy". (just giggling)

I'm talking novice here...

betito · Jan 21, 2010

For us having good bodybuilding genes is the most incredible gift somebody can have... but I think it´s a lot better being smart and good student with good social habilities... you can build a life and bodybuild while you do it, there is no money on bodybuilding, this is not basketball so unless your genetics are among the best of the best it´s better to go for an education and regular job and having a famly as your first priority, once that base is covered you can try as hard as you can with bodybuilding... chances are that if you realy have the right genes you will be noticed anyway and even in that case 95% of the possibilities is that you won´t make any money even if you turn pro... I know we make it for the satisfaction and all of that but remember that being proud for improving your quad sweep won´t feed your children

Diesel495 · Jan 21, 2010

after seeing many threads regarding how much juice you need to inject to achieve certain size, i'd like to share my opinion with the realistic individuals. our society kept preaching the concept of you can be who you want to be if you are willing to work hard. so many idealists take tons of drugs, spend whole day training/dieting, don't have any social skills because they believe 1 day they will be some iconic bodybuilding superstar. but 99.9% of the time, these people failed miserably and hooked on to the drugs. so what can you do if you have no social skills plus an huge drug habit? you'll start to conduct illegal activities or scams to support the lifestyle you want to live. i think this is extremely pathetic, this individual's "dream" is more like individual's "nightmare". there's a thread regarding to a kid wants to take 4 grams of tests plus other mega doses of anabolics just because big A said pros took this amount. he doesn't understand with his 210lbs physique contains loads of anabolics, while people with genetics can achieve that being natural. for you idealists out there, go to school and learn a specialty, treat bodybuilding as an hobby only(unless you get offered $80g in sponsorship), or you will ended up either behind bars and sleeping on the street 1 day.

ps: 2 grams of anabolics plus 8ius of gh is still large amount of gears.

buselmo said:
the coach took me to his office and we started talking and he talked about this guy... his father kicked him out of the house for being an awful son (our culture is based on family... it's pretty normal to live with your parents even if you're over 30 and married), he can't hold a job, spends all his money on gear and alcohol, he's an alcoholic, doesn't even have a high school diploma... etc.

prime · Jan 21, 2010

have you seen the movie "Idiocracy"?

klowndog said:
I've been thinking about genetics alot lately, not only mine, but the world's gene pool. By natural law(survival of the fittest, without technology, medicine, etc.), I would not be alive today. How many people would actually be here today if we were still ruled by natural law? I am nearsighted and cannot see 2 feet in front of me, so I would not survive in the wild based on that alone. So genetically, I would not have made it one million years ago. How could I have hunted, etc?

In our socity today with "welfare" we are defying natural law. Natural law says if you cant feed your babies then they will die. Welfare steps in and feeds the babies. In the wild, only the strong survive.

What I am getting at is that we have evolved into what we are through millions of years of natural law, survival of the fittest. Now we are reversing it. Every genetically challenged, cross eyed, buck toothed, stupid fat chick is popping out 5 kids just so they can draw a "welfare" check. The natural law now is "Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful" and take it out of the Alpha Males ass! Am I thinking like a Nazi here, or does anybody feel my pain? Just got my taxes back and I have to pay the bastards damn near 10% of my hard earned money.

Conan21 · Jan 22, 2010

good post

klowndog said:
I've been thinking about genetics alot lately, not only mine, but the world's gene pool. By natural law(survival of the fittest, without technology, medicine, etc.), I would not be alive today. How many people would actually be here today if we were still ruled by natural law? I am nearsighted and cannot see 2 feet in front of me, so I would not survive in the wild based on that alone. So genetically, I would not have made it one million years ago. How could I have hunted, etc?

In our socity today with "welfare" we are defying natural law. Natural law says if you cant feed your babies then they will die. Welfare steps in and feeds the babies. In the wild, only the strong survive.

What I am getting at is that we have evolved into what we are through millions of years of natural law, survival of the fittest. Now we are reversing it. Every genetically challenged, cross eyed, buck toothed, stupid fat chick is popping out 5 kids just so they can draw a "welfare" check. The natural law now is "Survival of the fattest/laziest/most pitiful" and take it out of the Alpha Males ass! Am I thinking like a Nazi here, or does anybody feel my pain? Just got my taxes back and I have to pay the bastards damn near 10% of my hard earned money.

I think you are thinking logically.

In today's world, the lowest levels of society have the most kids. While the greatest elements of society; The producers and the thinkers have the fewest.

I don't think there is anything unethical about thinking about these things. I believe it is a perfectly natural thought. I believe there should be measures in place to implement these ideas. In the past such ideas were widely accepted and even implemented. Even in America

Ethics don't mean anything. Good and evil is just a perception of one's own views. To me, it is EVIL to not obey Natural Law because the devinity of God expresses itself in the universe through Natural Law. Nature is beautiful. It has its majestic side but it also has a cruel and harsh side. Predators eat peacefull prey but at the end of the day it maintains the balance of life. Nature has its Yin and its Yang but ultimatey, these forces work together toward the greater good and the evolution of all life forms to exist in their purest form.

I am of the view point that the destiny of man is to become godlike. This is the natural step if evolution is left alone and allowed to happen. I believe it is man's destiny to be genetically free of disease, highly intelligent, with a healthy and strong physical body whose ulimate destiny should be to travel the stars and unlock the mysteries of the universe.

This can be man's destiny or it can be returned to living in dung plastered huts and hacking people with machetes for voo-doo rituals.

All of our social policies today favor Disgenics and not Eugenics. Desecration of the blood is the greatest self inflicting wound a society can commit upon itself.

The population keeps growing and growing. People are like insects who just keep reproducing and expanding their hive. Eventually there will be so many people on the earth that the quality of life will be very low and people will SUFFER and the earth will suffer b/c of overpopulation. This is a result of not obeying universal law. The longer humanity puts this off the greater the suffering will be. One of the Natural laws is cause and effect. Karma if you will.

The only LOGICAL step is to consider policies that control reproduction and cater to the best and brightest instead of the lowest elements of society.

ssdark1 · Jan 22, 2010

the only logical step is to not cater to anyone, and resist the temptation to try and socially engineer our society as if we know better than nature/god. economics will take care of the rest.

ssdark1 · Jan 22, 2010

also, id be curious to hear what you mean when you say god like? i respect your opinion, but think you've read one too many of the wrong books.

bigfatandugly · Jan 22, 2010

great post buselmo (no homo)

lol

BFU

gelatine · Jan 22, 2010

ssdark1 said:
the only logical step is to not cater to anyone, and resist the temptation to try and socially engineer our society as if we know better than nature/god. economics will take care of the rest.

The funny thing about economics is that the poor don't tend to just go off and starve in mass numbers if they don't have their basic needs met, they tend to riot and revolt. We still live in a violent world where violence can produce results, and a greatly disproportionate distribution of wealth is historically the best way to absolutely wreck a nation.