trest or dianabol

[DanielSon]

Which is more preferred for a lesser issue with prolactin related gyno? I'm going to assume Trest since it's the cause of mine in the first place. I've managed to get mine down to nothing and am thinking about a new cycle now, this time with some higher dosed aromasin or some gyno protocol. Having never taken Dianabol, not sure how to compare it to Trest.

 

[Swifto]

Dianabol can increase E2 and cause gynecomastia pretty quickly in some.

 

[slesh]

Dbol aromatizes like a mother fucker. It’s not prolactin gyno tho, it’s estradiol. I’ve never ran Trest so can’t comment. But you better have a legit AI on hand with Dbol.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

if you haven’t tried tbol that’s an option. Although less androgenic as well but long half life.

 

[hevi-head]

I’m not overly estro sensitive and dbol is one thing that tries to give me gyno

 

[DanielSon]

if you haven’t tried tbol that’s an option. Although less androgenic as well but long half life.

Thanks, I believe I'll stay away from the diana for a while then. Trying to plan a bulking cycle which may include test-c, nandrolone, low dose tren-e, and an oral like winstrol or s-drol. Never tried tbol, but Im not opposed to trying anything.

 

[ripriot]

Test, Tren 10-20 mg a day, dbol 10 mg a day (increase as needed) can be very effective for the right individual. I’ll do 3 weeks on Tren ace and dbol then 2-3 weeks off for 2-3 months. Estrogen and gyno symptoms are higher risk with dbol then compound that with your higher test dosage. I can control mine with arimidex pretty easy but I have kept letro on hand in case I push outside my comfort zone.

 

[b-boy]

Thanks, I believe I'll stay away from the diana for a while then. Trying to plan a bulking cycle which may include test-c, nandrolone, low dose tren-e, and an oral like winstrol or s-drol. Never tried tbol, but Im not opposed to trying anything.

So you think you have prolactin induced gyno or worried about it and then plan on running deca AND tren...correct?

 

[DanielSon]

So you think you have prolactin induced gyno or worried about it and then plan on running deca AND tren...correct?

I suppose it will always be a worry, however I can manage it fine with test alone, I just am thinking about what compound I can run in addition to it. And yes, I have had minor gyno with a previous Trest run.

Id like to run a bulk cycle with Test, and an additional compound.

 

[Type-IIx]

All the compounds you mention have a proclivity (some stronger than others) to cause gyno by different mechanisms. This is bad because if you are prone to gyno, these compounds in combination all act in concert to cause gyno synergistically (greater than additively). Tren is a progestin & directly binds the PR (it is likely this that causes gyno rather than acting via prolactin, as nonaromatizable androgens lower prolactin rather than raise it - many are immune to this sort of progestin-induced gyno but some are not). Dbol aromatizes to 17α-methylestradiol - a potent estrogen that is unlikely detected by the ultrasensitive E2 assay. Finally, MENT (trestolone) is both a potent progestin & aromatizes to a remarkably potent estrogen, 7α-methylestradiol. Hence why it's efficacious in male contraception, it acts synergistically by several mechanisms to reduce HPG axis functioning & spermatogenesis even at low doses.

 

[DanielSon]

Maybe a test, nandrolone, then add either winny, sdrol, or tbol.

 

[DanielSon]

Or anadrol, though have never taken it, so Im not sure of how much amoritization takes place.

 

[luki7788]

if building mass is not your priority, why do you want to use drugs that aromatize strongly while fearing gynecomastia?

choose other medications, e.g.
test
masteron / primo
anavar

 

[DanielSon]

if building mass is not your priority, why do you want to use drugs that aromatize strongly while fearing gynecomastia?

choose other medications, e.g.
test
masteron / primo
anavar

No, I am looking for a bulking cycle. At the very least test and nandro, maybe another compound to compliment it. Just not sure what that should be. Contemplating sdrol, winny, or anadrol.

 

[luki7788]

No, I am looking for a bulking cycle. At the very least test and nandro, maybe another compound to compliment it. Just not sure what that should be. Contemplating sdrol, winny, or anadrol.

but then why is it necessary oral?
give you a classic and a great combination

test, deca, primo or EQ

and if you absolutely want oral, the best choice when bulking is anavar - no water retention, good strength, low taxicity and does not block the appetite

 

[Type-IIx]

but then why is it necessary oral?
give you a classic and a great combination

test, deca, primo or EQ

and if you absolutely want oral, the best choice when bulking is anavar - no water retention, good strength, low taxicity and does not block the appetite

Test, Deca, EQ = very substantial aromatization (though excellent for off-season cycle if not prone to gyno)

 

[luki7788]

Test, Deca, EQ = very substantial aromatization (though excellent for off-season cycle if not prone to gyno)

I noticed it too. Now everyone says that the EQ lowers e2 and as soon as I add them to the cycle I immediately notice more aromatization

 

[Swifto]

but then why is it necessary oral?
give you a classic and a great combination

test, deca, primo or EQ

and if you absolutely want oral, the best choice when bulking is anavar - no water retention, good strength, low taxicity and does not block the appetite

I wouldn't state Anavar is "low toxicity" when taking into account what it does to a users lipid profile.

 

[DanielSon]

but then why is it necessary oral?
give you a classic and a great combination

test, deca, primo or EQ

and if you absolutely want oral, the best choice when bulking is anavar - no water retention, good strength, low taxicity and does not block the appetite

Test, nandrolone, it is then. I've seen others with good results with Sdrol and Winny is the only reason I thought to include one of them, maybe as a kickstarter.

 

[DanielSon]

I have seen very few use Anadrol as a part of their bulking stack. I had thought it was a low amoritization compound for a bulker. Ive used test, trest, tren, Sdrol, but that Trest was not kind with the prolactin. Dummy me thought estro wouldn't be much of a problem at low dose.