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What's trimming down to you? I made a post a while back trying to spur some interest in some herbs like Lee Haney used to use but nobody had any feed back.
I know I sound like a ho for them but Xenadrine to me is the best ECA on the market, I also use a lot of yohimbe as well. If your not going to use anything like clen, T3, or winny than you had better do cardio at least 30 mins a day, cut your carbs a whole lot and drink a lot of water.