I have always been avoiding orals since my thoughts and past exp. were that the gains were not long-lived. Every time my dog takes them he gets bloated and big but shortly after cesation of the cycle it all goes away. Lately, I have been wondering if orals may help in muscle growth kind of the same way fascia stretching does. Does anyone have any opinions. Even though the gains are short-lived does it help muscle size increase in general since the muscles were enlarged at one time. Hope this makes some sense.