Vascularity and IGF?

bigbaldbulldog · Sep 12, 2005

What is it about IGF that causing one to be so freaky vascularity?

PHIL HERNON · Sep 12, 2005

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bigbaldbulldog said:
What is it about IGF that causing one to be so freaky vascular?

wHO IS FREAKY VASCULAR FROM igf ??

Mr Pickles · Sep 12, 2005

i shall refrain from making immature comments

but you know i wanna

edge250 · Sep 13, 2005

dont know if i would say "freaky" phil but it definetly makes me damn vascular. seems i also have veins that were never there before or close to surface like they are now particularly in the biceps. would be interested to know the reason behind this also.

PHIL HERNON · Sep 13, 2005

Leaner

edge250 said:
dont know if i would say "freaky" phil but it definetly makes me damn vascular. seems i also have veins that were never there before or close to surface like they are now particularly in the biceps. would be interested to know the reason behind this also.

Are you leaner now? That would be the only reason..

Mr Pickles · Sep 13, 2005

makes the muscle more full... therefore tightening the skin... making veins more visible

edge250 · Sep 13, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
Are you leaner now? That would be the only reason..

somewhat but not enough to create that big of a difference. i have dieted down for contests and never had veins that i have in my biceps now. i do understand your reasoning

zephyr22 · Sep 13, 2005

I have seen the same effect...

I had a "buddy" using the IGF-1lr3 and his vascularity within 2 weeks was greatly increased. I dont know if he was leaner??? It just was easily apparent. It made him look much fuller also. Helll I dont know there has not been enough scientific experimentation in the medical field yet to see what its effects given exogenously are. :st:r-wars

cbeaks · Sep 13, 2005

zephyr22 said:
I had a "buddy" using the IGF-1lr3 and his vascularity within 2 weeks was greatly increased. I dont know if he was leaner??? It just was easily apparent. It made him look much fuller also. Helll I dont know there has not been enough scientific experimentation in the medical field yet to see what its effects given exogenously are. :st:r-wars

What kind of dose was your friend taking?

bigbaldbulldog · Sep 13, 2005

Now that i went back and spell checked my post i can move forward...when friends were doing shows and were 6% they never got the veins they had when they were 8-9% with the IGF...does it thin out the skin a bit? draw water from under the skin out and pull it into the muscle?

When one stops taking 40-60mcgs daily within weeks the veins fade but the look remains...kinda...well just wondering now that i know how too spell....kinda sorta maybe...

PHIL HERNON · Sep 13, 2005

PROVE IT TO ME

I will need to see proof to believe that it increases vascularity. I have NEVER, I mean NEVER seen a competitive BBer get more vascular all of a sudden. Once I have seen someone compete at their leanest, I have never seen them more vascular than they were before. Look at pics of pros. Does Sean Rays vascularity change? Levrones? Dorians?

bigbaldbulldog · Sep 13, 2005

Umm...

PHIL HERNON said:
I will need to see proof to believe that it increases vascularity. I have NEVER, I mean NEVER seen a competitive BBer get more vascular all of a sudden. Once I have seen someone compete at their leanest, I have never seen them more vascular than they were before. Look at pics of pros. Does Sean Rays vascularity change? Levrones? Dorians?

I can not say no to that, they always look great ...What i can say is that when i have seen guys take this stuff they get veins where they never had them and it looks likes spider web effect, that is how i can best describe it. .. I guess i will have to come down and see you and show you what i am talkign about...

I am school right now but if i get a few over the weekend i will stop out and grab soem more supps and we can talk about the new training tech's, supps and styles for the fall and winter season...

I know there are many who have used this IGF and saw first hand that spider web effect i am talking about..i can hardly believe that one can drop enough bodyfat % in a week or two to show such a dramatic effect but it does seem to happen over a 10-14 day period..

well i gotta run and some skool stuff

lucian · Sep 13, 2005

im using it right now.

i just finished igf and im lean but never had veins like this. have them in my traps ,shins,quads everywhere. and they showed up a week after i started the igf. i think it pulls water into the muscle and somehow keeps it there. 2 days on it and you get such a wicked pump in the gym it hurts sometimes. after doing dc stretches its worse. it happens fast and i hope it stays for a while, im for sure gonna use it again. r u using it w hgh? im not but think id like to see what it does.have you used it for size or dieting. bbb let me know what you think.

Crowler · Sep 13, 2005

I have gotten more vascular with just taking Synthetek Vit B it was not from fat loss since it happens within days of starting the B vits.

So I find it believable that IGF-1 could increase vascularity with no fat loss.

CROWLER

bigbaldbulldog · Sep 14, 2005

lucian said:
i just finished igf and im lean but never had veins like this. have them in my traps ,shins,quads everywhere. and they showed up a week after i started the igf. i think it pulls water into the muscle and somehow keeps it there. 2 days on it and you get such a wicked pump in the gym it hurts sometimes. after doing dc stretches its worse. it happens fast and i hope it stays for a while, im for sure gonna use it again. r u using it w hgh? im not but think id like to see what it does.have you used it for size or dieting. bbb let me know what you think.

It can be used for both..i do not bulk up with extra bodyfat so i put on lean body mass...i will say this much Just imo though..

200mgs deca a week
750 mgs test a week
225 mg tren
4ius HGH a day
40mcg IGF after training

is best combo ..eat a good diet and supps and you'll gain about 8-10lbs 10 weeks everytime..good luck

PHIL HERNON · Sep 14, 2005

I hope you guys are not

confusing vascularity with variscosity. What do you mean by "spider web veins"? :'heeky-sm

Crowler · Sep 14, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
confusing vascularity with variscosity. What do you mean by "spider web veins"? :'heeky-sm

maybe we are just pregnent and don't know it lol

CROWLER

PHIL HERNON · Sep 14, 2005

YIKES!!!

Crowler said:
maybe we are just pregnent and don't know it lol

CROWLER

HEY GUYS, DO ME A FAVOR, POST SOME PICTURES OF THESE VEINS. ALSO, POST A BEFORE PIC AROUND THE SAME LEANNESS, THEN I WILL BE A BELIEVER. ANYONE???

edge250 · Sep 14, 2005

i will try and take some pics if my digital camera is good enough to pick it up. but in all honesty i can say i have veins that were not there before and phil when you mention ray, levrone, and yates are you stating that they used the long-r3 version of igf and did not witness this. there is definetly something more to this than just increased leaness.

Crowler · Sep 14, 2005

PHIL HERNON said:
HEY GUYS, DO ME A FAVOR, POST SOME PICTURES OF THESE VEINS. ALSO, POST A BEFORE PIC AROUND THE SAME LEANNESS, THEN I WILL BE A BELIEVER. ANYONE???

Hey now is this a tag team set up to Vander giving us some 'honest' critisism of our pics LOL :star-wars :st:r-wars

Phil I don't have any before pics and I have not used IGf-1 just the vit B from Synthetek.

Besides that after the comments on other guys pics I wont soon be posting even a pic of my dog lol

CROWLER