the new thing now......is SHOOTING sub.....
peeps are shooting 8mg films and getting high...
for like 24 hours
the new thing now......is SHOOTING sub.....
peeps are shooting 8mg films and getting high...
for like 24 hours
Suboxone is worse in my opinion. It's more addictive than Crack mixed with dope mixed with benzos mixed with the best antidepressant type thing. It does EVERYTHING for your brain so your brain shuts off and doesn't produce dick anymore.Thanks boys appreciate the insight. Agree with you both. Suboxone sucks, just as bad as opiates in my opinion
Some have gotten off of morphine, methadone, dope, oxys and subs at different times with no help at home. And from what I've heard sub withdrawal is as bad or worse than methadone withdrawal if your stopped abruptly above 4mg, but def hell at 8 and stopped. If you taper anything down its going to be easier to stop and most long time dope heads will tell you they've come off different stuff multiple times by themselves and subs are the worst which is why so many end up buying SUBS off the street- bc they can function and it's the only thing that keeps them happy as well so they'll discard the high for the ability to stay well longer and just Be Happy*/ have feel good chemicals in their brain that they haven't felt in years or decades and, at never feel again without it. Just giving the input I know first hand from kids I went to high school with who all ended up on some kind of doper.I don't know how your can legitimately claim this? How many people have gone through WDs from only subuxone vs only heroin? People that are weaning off subuxone and go into WD have abused heroin, oxy, morphine, whatever BEFORE they got onto subuxone which contributes to their WD from subuxone.
There is no control group where we have tested withdrawals from suboxone only vs heroin only, that would be an extremely unethical study.
Again, if Anything is titrated (down is redundant) then you'll obviously do better. Just like my thoughts above about the many people I know that have come off of dopers themselves just by lowering the dose and then getting sick for a while. But just because the administration method of suboxone is different doesn't mean withdrawals are any easier (actually harder) and Certainly* doesn't mean they aren't abused. One of the people I was thinking about when I wrote above is a female that Still SHOOTS UP subutex (bupinorphine without the naloxone) AND suboxone! So not only are they hard as fk to get off of but also can be abused. Please don't speak on matter that you don't have sufficient knowledge of. I'm not being disrespectful so please don't come attacking me. I'm merely saying that before posting something that is disrespectful and accusatory you may want to know that you are in the right.You're completely talking out of your ass man. In no way shape or form is it worse than heroin. It can be titrated down to wean somebody off (try doing that with heroin of varying potency not to mention different fentanyl analogues synthesized in china mixed in). It is taken in the last non-addictive way possible (sublingual) unlike heroin which is typically smoked (tar) or snorted (powder) or injected (either tar or powder).
You're 100% wrong Tenny.
I feel your pain as its been the same story with me. About 20 of us all grew up together and there's about 4 or 5 of us left. So I feel your pain.**EDIT**
How many people have you lost this year from subuxone? I never lost a single person in my life from subs. The body count for people that loved me and I loved them is up around a dozen now from heroin. THREE THIS FUCKING YEAR.
And you're telling me subuxone is worse than heroin?
I would pray to goddamn fucking satan himself if it would help my friends be on subuxone today and not underground.
one of the last times i got high(hadnt used in over year)...i shot an 8mg sub(tab)...
i was high for 3 days...vomiting often for the first 48 hrs...
what really blew my mind was...i got it from a pregnant chick who had been prescribed two a day...could not understand how a doctor could give that shit to someone who was pregnant.
Guy I was in rehab with lied about how much subs he needed so he'd get a GOOOOOOOD nod from them. Like drooling on himself with head completely laid back when he was just talking a few minutes earlier. All depends on the persons brain chemistry. Just like I know some that can get high while on subs while others get sick if they touch anything- person dependent.You have to be a complete idiot to OD on subs. I have years of experience never even really nodded from them. You don't use 16 mgs. If you need to take it you use the lowest possible amount. The lower the amount the better you feel. People in the know realize 1 mg doses you get the best effect. Your tolerance never goes up. Been on it for years this way zero issues.
Holy crap I feel I MUST respond to these posts. Sorry for the influx of my Experiences.Completely untrue. It is actually the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said.
Buprenorphine PROTECTS an opioid user from overdose by preventing other opioids from attaching to their receptor sites.
You may get "some" effects if you push the opioid high enough, but if the Bup dose is sufficient it won't have any effect at all...which means it will not be affecting your cardio-respiratory system...which means it cannot kill you.
It won't be doing anything at all. It will just float around doing nothing until it is metabolized...and since it is metabolized way faster than Bup, it will be out of the system before the Bup is, thereby eliminating the possibility of overdose.
Even a moderate dose of Buprenorphine pretty much eliminates the possibility of opioid overdose.
...and to those who said Bup is worse than heroin...absolute nonsense! I've been using Bup for 10 year straight now and have zero issues. I can't even tell I take it. I feel fine and function perfectly well with no physical or emotional health issues.
Go try and find a heroin addict under similar circumstances. Good luck.
There are a LOT of reason why Bup is WAY less injurious than something like heroin, so I'm not even going to elaborate on them here...other than to say that the belief that Bup is worse than heroin (or any full-opioid agonist) is absolutely wrong.
Well put tenny. They can kill ya too.LOL....its a NASTY drug....
made not to kill ya.....made for you to become DEPENDENT....for LIFE...
again....that's the scam....
the ONLY way out.....ONLY WAY.....is to cold turkey....tapper and cold turkey.
might take a year.....or two.....but its the ONLY way....
sub is not the answer to opiates addiction.....its a bandaid, that the
government and pham companies profit BILLIONS!!!!!!! from....
I'm just the messenger....don't hate....it is what it is....
and thats what it is.......sadly
LOL....its a NASTY drug....
made not to kill ya.....made for you to become DEPENDENT....for LIFE...
again....that's the scam....
the ONLY way out.....ONLY WAY.....is to cold turkey....tapper and cold turkey.
might take a year.....or two.....but its the ONLY way....
sub is not the answer to opiates addiction.....its a bandaid, that the
government and pham companies profit BILLIONS!!!!!!! from....
I'm just the messenger....don't hate....it is what it is....
and thats what it is.......sadly
Completely untrue. It is actually the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said.
Buprenorphine PROTECTS an opioid user from overdose by preventing other opioids from attaching to their receptor sites.
You may get "some" effects if you push the opioid high enough, but if the Bup dose is sufficient it won't have any effect at all...which means it will not be affecting your cardio-respiratory system...which means it cannot kill you.
It won't be doing anything at all. It will just float around doing nothing until it is metabolized...and since it is metabolized way faster than Bup, it will be out of the system before the Bup is, thereby eliminating the possibility of overdose.
Even a moderate dose of Buprenorphine pretty much eliminates the possibility of opioid overdose.
...and to those who said Bup is worse than heroin...absolute nonsense! I've been using Bup for 10 year straight now and have zero issues. I can't even tell I take it. I feel fine and function perfectly well with no physical or emotional health issues.
Go try and find a heroin addict under similar circumstances. Good luck.
There are a LOT of reason why Bup is WAY less injurious than something like heroin, so I'm not even going to elaborate on them here...other than to say that the belief that Bup is worse than heroin (or any full-opioid agonist) is absolutely wrong.
Holy crap I feel I MUST respond to these posts. Sorry for the influx of my Experiences.
Buprenorphine is a Partial* agonist and partial antagonist of the opiate receptors. It is the NALOXONE that in the suboxone (hence subutex and suboxone*) that blocks other opiates from coming in. But***, this is person dependant. Because like I said before I know those that get sick as hell if they touch anything while on subs (like what happened to me when I was dumb enough to take a bump of oxy) and those that can get high as a kite while on subs. Just proof I've seen with my own two eyes.
Mike - i would be interested if you would elaborate a bit if you don't mind. My understanding is that bupe has a stronger binding affinity than naloxone and therefore an OD can be disastrous. I understand tat OD will occur at higher than average doses, but nevertheless this could be an issue. No?
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I've had withdraws from suboxone methadone and oxy cotin. Methadone was the worst followed by oxies. Suboxone isn't as intense but it lasts a long time.
I plan on micro dosing sub for the distant future. It doesn't fuck up my health I feel great. I get 12 mgs I use 2-3. It's maintenance. Same thing as trt imo. I realize it's an addiction. Try coming of trt, anti depressants, benzos, sleep meds. All have similar consequences.
If someone says suboxen is worse than heroin or whatever i have hard time believing they have any experience. Subs don't get you high like heroin or oxys, or even tabs or nubain. I forget to take my subs all the time and i promise you that never happened with hard drugs. The withrawl is uncomfortable and last longer but the withdrawl from the other stuff had me puking laying in bed for days like you see in movies and tv. Same here too, they had me at 3 a day and all ever take is half a strip a day and maybe an extra quarter on days I'm tired or don't feel like training. I've got my visits down to every other month and could go every 4 if was allowed.
Steroids have been the hardest thing for me to come off of. I'm happy to be off all the hard drugs but I still miss a good cycle
.....Try quitting 16mg daily Suboxone cold turkey and you will be begging for any OxyContin withdrawal.
It depends on the dose. 16 mg of Bup is WAY more potent than say, 20 mg of oxy, but if you're comparing equivalent doses then the oxy withdrawal is absolutely worse...in terms of intensity. Bup just withdrawals last longer, but that also sucks.
Also, if you od on it you are in real trouble
No. Buprenorphine is nowhere near as dangerous as full opioid agonists. For the thrived time, it is almost impossible to die from a Bup OD because of its ceiling effect and the fact it has a much smaller impact on the cardio-respiratory system, which is what kills people when OD'ing on full agonists.
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