Vigorous Steve TRT+ tren

[old timer2]

Well, after watching his video I just started 25mg of TREN a week added to my hrt. It makes sense to me. Seems very small of a dose, but I will report back in a few weeks....

But I too am interested in this.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

In that video, he mentioned using it on his clients for two years straight, with a dosage of 1iu per 20g of carbs in the morning, followed by additional Lantus post-workout, totaling more than 1iu per 20g of carbs. Also, he used Humalog pre-workout.

I'm not a specialist on Lantus, but from what I've been reading lately, the general consensus is to avoid using it daily due to concerns about insulin sensitivity.

Not to be a nit picking asshole, but u can’t call out “dubious” claims on a guy when you don’t fully understand the drug. “From what I’ve been reading lately….” C’mon now.
Low dose lantus (which is what Steve is talking about) is used daily…by diabetics and others to control blood sugar, not to get huge. I would honestly read up more.

 

[Maly]

Not to be a nit picking asshole, but u can’t call out “dubious” claims on a guy when you don’t fully understand the drug. “From what I’ve been reading lately….” C’mon now.
Low dose lantus (which is what Steve is talking about) is used daily…by diabetics and others to control blood sugar, not to get huge. I would honestly read up more.

I'm always open to learning. So, using 25iu of Lantus in the morning, followed by another Lantus shot pre-workout, and then Humalog post-workout will have no adverse effects on insulin sensitivity?

 

[adpolice]

I'm always open to learning. So, using 25iu of Lantus in the morning, followed by another Lantus shot pre-workout, and then Humalog post-workout will have no adverse effects on insulin sensitivity?

It is not that simple or black and white situation.If you are not obese and you manage your nutrition and exercise probably it won't affect your insulin sensitivity that much,but the key here is are you at that level that you need to add those compounds to advance?

 

[IntenseVolume]

I'm always open to learning. So, using 25iu of Lantus in the morning, followed by another Lantus shot pre-workout, and then Humalog post-workout will have no adverse effects on insulin sensitivity?

Why do you believe it would make someone more insulin resistant?

 

[Yousef12O2]

People ALWAYS take things out of context unfortunately, no matter who's talking.
Again zero hate and as stated above I appreciate that he spends some time reading the studies before opening his mouth. Gimme 100000 Vigorous Steve rather than one "Doctor" Todd Lee
Then there're times when his hyperboles get ridiculous like "Nobody could ever tolerate more than 20-25mg of Pharm Grade Anavar" , but in this obscene mess of "experts" he's certainly far from the worst.

Wasnt there a guy in the 70s who used to take a whole bottle of anavar a day

 

[Doitagain]

Wasnt there a guy in the 70s who used to take a whole bottle of anavar a day

No idea, but there're plenty today

 

[Maly]

Why do you believe it would make someone more insulin resistant?

I've recently done some research on this topic. I like to investigate things before considering them (not that I plan on using insulin anytime soon), but I was curious to learn more about it.

I don’t want to stray too far off topic in this thread, so this will be my last comment about insulin and Vigorous Steve (for some reason, it seems to have triggered people).

It's not about believing or not; I was simply sharing my opinion about Vigorous Steve. From the little I’ve seen of him, he provided contradictory information. As I mentioned, I’ve been researching insulin lately and haven’t watched his videos specifically, but he frequently appears on podcasts and interviews, so I’ve had some exposure to his content.

In short, here’s why I believe what I do:

I’ve taken notes from various sources while researching this topic. Some of my references include:
- Many respected coaches believe that to be the case (anecdotal evidence)
- There's a big insulin thread by @bbxtreme that's very informative and goes more in depth
- Here's a video by Kurt Havens and Dr. Dean about Insulin (timestamped)

- here's a post by @Type-IIx https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...in-sensitivity-experiment.176756/post-3252033

 

[IntenseVolume]

I've recently done some research on this topic. I like to investigate things before considering them (not that I plan on using insulin anytime soon), but I was curious to learn more about it.

I don’t want to stray too far off topic in this thread, so this will be my last comment about insulin and Vigorous Steve (for some reason, it seems to have triggered people).

It's not about believing or not; I was simply sharing my opinion about Vigorous Steve. From the little I’ve seen of him, he provided contradictory information. As I mentioned, I’ve been researching insulin lately and haven’t watched his videos specifically, but he frequently appears on podcasts and interviews, so I’ve had some exposure to his content.

In short, here’s why I believe what I do:

I’ve taken notes from various sources while researching this topic. Some of my references include:
- Many respected coaches believe that to be the case (anecdotal evidence)
- There's a big insulin thread by @bbxtreme that's very informative and goes more in depth
- Here's a video by Kurt Havens and Dr. Dean about Insulin (timestamped)

- here's a post by @Type-IIx https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...in-sensitivity-experiment.176756/post-3252033

I don’t know much of anything about Steve. Ive never even listened to episodes of podcasts that he’s on.

I do like Kurt Havens a lot. I’ll give this a listen. Thank you for finding it and posting it up.

 

[Reno911]

Wasnt there a guy in the 70s who used to take a whole bottle of anavar a day

A few guys but Pete Grymkowski was pushing it the hardest among guys in the 70's. 6-8g total load/week.

 

[Vanilla Thunder]

Personally I'm with Steve on the var. I run Rx var at 25mg/day (not foreign punch packets...actually from the pharmacy). When I tried to bump the Rx var to 50mg/day I was getting back tightness and pumps / pain so bad I could barely work out, and just looking at a GHR would lock up my back. When I'd do hyper-extensions I couldn't walk the 1 mile home without stopping to sit on something several times during the trip. I've run 37.5mg for a few weeks and tolerated that ok, but every time I try 50 I have to back it down. UG labs I can run 50 no problem, never tried to go over that. Tried tons of Taurine, everything...it's a no go for me. One of my favorites though, I get strong as hell on var.

 

[control]

Personally I'm with Steve on the var. I run Rx var at 25mg/day (not foreign punch packets...actually from the pharmacy). When I tried to bump the Rx var to 50mg/day I was getting back tightness and pumps / pain so bad I could barely work out, and just looking at a GHR would lock up my back. When I'd do hyper-extensions I couldn't walk the 1 mile home without stopping to sit on something several times during the trip. I've run 37.5mg for a few weeks and tolerated that ok, but every time I try 50 I have to back it down. UG labs I can run 50 no problem, never tried to go over that. Tried tons of Taurine, everything...it's a no go for me. One of my favorites though, I get strong as hell on var.

I got bad neck cramps from 50 mg of a anavar

 

[nothuman]

Wasnt there a guy in the 70s who used to take a whole bottle of anavar a day

I heard it was Pete Grymkowski but with dbol. No clue where this story originated but it has been passed along for centuries and I want it to be true so badly, damn it

 

[alfresco]

I heard it was Pete Grymkowski but with dbol. No clue where this story originated but it has been passed along for centuries and I want it to be true so badly, damn it

I got a call in to my friend who knows Pete very well (better than I). Will let you know how it shakes out. Patience.

 

[nothuman]

Personally I'm with Steve on the var. I run Rx var at 25mg/day (not foreign punch packets...actually from the pharmacy). When I tried to bump the Rx var to 50mg/day I was getting back tightness and pumps / pain so bad I could barely work out, and just looking at a GHR would lock up my back. When I'd do hyper-extensions I couldn't walk the 1 mile home without stopping to sit on something several times during the trip. I've run 37.5mg for a few weeks and tolerated that ok, but every time I try 50 I have to back it down. UG labs I can run 50 no problem, never tried to go over that. Tried tons of Taurine, everything...it's a no go for me. One of my favorites though, I get strong as hell on var.

I watched his deep dive on anavar video and he concluded it's better to run anavar for longer at a lower dose (around 20mg) than shorter with a higher dose. I decided to listen and I feel better on 25mg than I did at a higher dose. I didn't get the same problems on 50mg as you but still feel better on a little less.

 

[Mufasa123]

Never watched his stuff before. I'm guessing he makes more money the longer you watch as there's a lot of superfluous talking (ie don't read me an entire blood test word for word, just impacts). Doesn't seem like a bad guy but sure wish I chose other content for that morning cardio.

On the subject of anavar. I had a script for var from back in the oxandrin days when it was first available again in the US. 25mg and under of US Pharma name brand Oxandrin placed in my hands from the pharmacist did bare minimum for me and nothing more than the UGL stuff I run today. 35mg and up gets okay. I don't have lofty goals these days so 50mg ED does fine or maybe 25mg if using with another oral.

 

[alfresco]

I got a call in to my friend who knows Pete very well (better than I). Will let you know how it shakes out. Patience.

Per Randy Roach, the author of Muscle Smoke and Mirrors, Volume I and II. I know Randy very very well. Worked with him on Volume II (and am credited) for over a year, traveled all over the country gathering info for the book. Randy is blind in both eyes so I had to scan everything and run it through a OCR before sending. He typed and I proofread most of it. It was a long and arduous process but worth it.

Volume I and II are invaluable to anybody who is interested in the history of bodybuilding and supplements. They are acknowledged as being the definitive go to place for accurate historical info on bodybuilding up to and including the “Golden Era”. Priceless. (That is a free plug Randy.)

Probably TMI. Oh well.

Here is what he just said:

Yes I know Pete, but have not spoken to him in a few years. He gave

me his drug regimen in Volume II and it is off the map.

By mid-1977, Pete was maintaining a daily dosage of both oral and

injectable anabolic steroids at a level of 3,000 mg per day. This

itself was quite high and there were most likely others taking this

amount. However, few if any were going where Pete went when he took

his dosage up to a whopping

10,000 mg daily three weeks out from a competition where he held it

right up to contest day. (P. Grymkowski, phone 2010) He took 27 cc of

injectable steroids delivered in 9 shots of 3 cc each, 3 bottles of

Maxibolin, 3 bottles of Winstrol, and 5 bottles of Anavar. While

training at Gold's in early summer of 1977, Pete's day began with his

awakening from under the boardwalk at roughly 11:00 AM when he took

his first three shots of injectable steroids. He would go lay in the

sun until early afternoon.

His next three shots came just before eating at 4:00 PM. His eating

protocols were derived from various sources including what he obtained

from information coming out of the Soviet Union and his participation

in the steroid research project in 1974.

Sorry for the formatting. I am too lazy to fix it on my iPhone.

 

[Mufasa123]

Per Randy Roach, the author of Muscle Smoke and Mirrors, Volume I and II. I know Randy very very well. Worked with him on Volume II (and am credited) for over a year, traveled all over the country gathering info for the book. Randy is blind in both eyes so I had to scan everything and run it through a OCR before sending. He typed and I proofread most of it. It was a long and arduous process but worth it.

Volume I and II are invaluable to anybody who is interested in the history of bodybuilding and supplements. They are acknowledged as being the definitive go to place for accurate historical info on bodybuilding up to and including the “Golden Era”. Priceless. (That is a free plug Randy.)

Not shocking on the comments as I've had the pleasure of meeting some old school guys (1960s and 60s York Barbell) and it wasn't long into ped history before competitive minds decided "they said take 3 and that worked so let me try 4" logically took over and went to infinity.

More importantly, I never heard of these books! Amazing. I read up on Amazon and reviews. I saw the 2008 release and I was pretty busy during those years, lifted but off most boards and just work/family. I need to pick them up. Is there an ebook or Kindle version at all? Doesn't seem like it.

 

[alfresco]

I think VIII which I was not involved with and know very little may be an ebook but don’t quote me.

His books are expensive but worth every penny in my opinion. They are on Amazon and his website (?). You can get them used on Amazon or eBay too.

 

[nothuman]

Per Randy Roach, the author of Muscle Smoke and Mirrors, Volume I and II. I know Randy very very well. Worked with him on Volume II (and am credited) for over a year, traveled all over the country gathering info for the book. Randy is blind in both eyes so I had to scan everything and run it through a OCR before sending. He typed and I proofread most of it. It was a long and arduous process but worth it.

Volume I and II are invaluable to anybody who is interested in the history of bodybuilding and supplements. They are acknowledged as being the definitive go to place for accurate historical info on bodybuilding up to and including the “Golden Era”. Priceless. (That is a free plug Randy.)

Probably TMI. Oh well.

Here is what he just said:





















Sorry for the formatting. I am too lazy to fix it on my iPhone.

Great stuff! Even more amazing is that the man is still alive. I wonder how old he is and what he looks like now.