What is a "cutting cycle"?

[hellraiser27]

I am always amazed when I see someone list a cutting cycle. A lot of times people will list the very same thing as someone elses bulking cycles. But then they say "well my diet will be different"
If thats the case then why don't they just say, "my cutting diet"?

And how does a "weaker" steroid make you more cut than another? In my experience, I have found that test, any variety, will enhance muscle definition, burn fat, and help with vascularity. Tren seems to be the exception. It tends to make me very hard, big, and vascular, and stronger also. But I don't like to do it with out test for too long because of libido issues do to progesterone.

EQ, deca, var, mast, and primo, IMO and experience, don't do anything that test doesn't already do. I think these are great steroids for women, but are they really good "cutting" steroids for men?

 

[massnup]

Maybe test is all one needs?

 

[Big Bapper]

I am always amazed when I see someone list a cutting cycle. A lot of times people will list the very same thing as someone elses bulking cycles. But then they say "well my diet will be different"
If thats the case then why don't they just say, "my cutting diet"?

And how does a "weaker" steroid make you more cut than another? In my experience, I have found that test, any variety, will enhance muscle definition, burn fat, and help with vascularity. Tren seems to be the exception. It tends to make me very hard, big, and vascular, and stronger also. But I don't like to do it with out test for too long because of libido issues do to progesterone.

EQ, deca, var, mast, and primo, IMO and experience, don't do anything that test doesn't already do. I think these are great steroids for women, but are they really good "cutting" steroids for men?

EQ will make your vains look like they are going to explode. Most will hold a bit of water on this drug so maybe stop it at the 5 week out mark. I wonder has anyone tried to add it back in the last week of prep to increase RBC like some people do with oxys.

Deca : crap pre contest drug IMO

Mast : The only drug that will give you that really hard granit look if your BF is low enough. Yates comes to mind. It will also lower estrogen and shbg witch in turn make us look dryer.

Primo & Var : Two of the most safest drugs we use and the only two anabolics that will cause muscle growth is a Kcal controled diet(pre contest).

Food plays the biggest part in all this guys.to get the fat off but not to be over looked is all these drugs that will give us better condition than test the last few weeks.

 

[abolish the weak]

EQ will make your vains look like they are going to explode. Most will hold a bit of water on this drug so maybe stop it at the 5 week out mark. I wonder has anyone tried to add it back in the last week of prep to increase RBC like some people do with oxys.

Deca : crap pre contest drug IMO

Mast : The only drug that will give you that really hard granit look if your BF is low enough. Yates comes to mind. It will also lower estrogen and shbg witch in turn make us look dryer.

Primo & Var : Two of the most safest drugs we use and the only two anabolics that will cause muscle growth is a Kcal controled diet(pre contest).

Food plays the biggest part in all this guys.to get the fat off but not to be over looked is all these drugs that will give us better condition than test the last few weeks.

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[hellraiser27]

EQ will make your vains look like they are going to explode. Most will hold a bit of water on this drug so maybe stop it at the 5 week out mark. I wonder has anyone tried to add it back in the last week of prep to increase RBC like some people do with oxys.

Deca : crap pre contest drug IMO

Mast : The only drug that will give you that really hard granit look if your BF is low enough. Yates comes to mind. It will also lower estrogen and shbg witch in turn make us look dryer.

Primo & Var : Two of the most safest drugs we use and the only two anabolics that will cause muscle growth is a Kcal controled diet(pre contest).

Food plays the biggest part in all this guys.to get the fat off but not to be over looked is all these drugs that will give us better condition than test the last few weeks.

I used to use a lot of EQ, but then I realized test worked better for me. And beleive me, very few have veins like me. Even Dbol and tren do the same for me. Even Androl makes e looked pumped.
I used a lot of Mast 3 weeks before a contest up until contest day. I have very low body fat. I felt like it didn't do anything for me. I was using 100mg ED.

I never used deca.

I never tried Primo, too expensive.

I tried var a long time ago. I really can't say it did anything for me. I understand it may be low on sides, but thats why I say its good for women. But what does it actually do for men?

I saw a thread, I think it was from Phil or Emeric, I can't remember, that talked about test is all you need.

I have an extremely good diet all year round. I am just about as lean as they come. So maybe these type of gear have no benefit to me. But I see alot of people talking about cutting cycles who don't compete.

 

[abolish the weak]

I used to use a lot of EQ, but then I realized test worked better for me. And beleive me, very few have veins like me. Even Dbol and tren do the same for me. Even Androl makes e looked pumped.
I used a lot of Mast 3 weeks before a contest up until contest day. I have very low body fat. I felt like it didn't do anything for me. I was using 100mg ED.

I never used deca.

I never tried Primo, too expensive.

I tried var a long time ago. I really can't say it did anything for me. I understand it may be low on sides, but thats why I say its good for women. But what does it actually do for men?

I saw a thread, I think it was from Phil or Emeric, I can't remember, that talked about test is all you need.

I have an extremely good diet all year round. I am just about as lean as they come. So maybe these type of gear have no benefit to me. But I see alot of people talking about cutting cycles who don't compete.

Hellraiser, from my own personal experience, anavar doesnt make much of a difference in men until you get around 50mg/day or more. and its costly!! I was around 100mg/day of var the last few wks before the show i used it for(did it for 8 wks total, just didnt go as high until 3 wks out), and looking back on the photos it was a world of difference in hardness than in the past few shows. Some people just react better to certain compounds than others. I've done anadrol before at 150mg/day and it did nothing for me, I've done dbol at 30mg/day and grew like a weed, so who knows. I've found that whatever works for you just go with it man, u know ur body better than anyone. I got a friend right now getting ready for Jr. Nationals who is using anadrol and EQ almost right up until showtime, where everyone else will say its a sin to be running those for a show. And this guy is extremely diced already. So like I said, I dont think its really a mystery anymore, certain people respond better to certain shit thats all

 

[eroc613]

I used to use a lot of EQ, but then I realized test worked better for me. And beleive me, very few have veins like me. Even Dbol and tren do the same for me. Even Androl makes e looked pumped.
I used a lot of Mast 3 weeks before a contest up until contest day. I have very low body fat. I felt like it didn't do anything for me. I was using 100mg ED.

I never used deca.

I never tried Primo, too expensive.

I tried var a long time ago. I really can't say it did anything for me. I understand it may be low on sides, but thats why I say its good for women. But what does it actually do for men?

I saw a thread, I think it was from Phil or Emeric, I can't remember, that talked about test is all you need.

I have an extremely good diet all year round. I am just about as lean as they come. So maybe these type of gear have no benefit to me. But I see alot of people talking about cutting cycles who don't compete.

Not trying to mean..... but your not a big guy. And it seems youv'e been doing it a long time.
Again I'm not trying to be mean at all. Maybe you body just doesn't grow like other people, so you don't expirence the benifits that other people do when useing a "bulking" compounds.

 

[Pristi1340]

hell raiser, what do you mean mast is only good for women? maybe you got fake masteron, perhaps? just saying. masteron will give your physique a certain look other cannot match. in fact, some people swear it hardens them up better than tren... but, i do agree with you, test and tren is really all you need (if youre not competing)

 

[MR. BMJ]

You can get away with test alone, and there is no denying that, but compounds like Tren, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, and Masteron all give an overall appearance/look, that many cannot obtain through test/diet alone. Eq will bring on some vascularity (simulataneously with leaning up at the same time), but you may not be able to tell a difference in that department if you are already looking like a road map.

For me, Tren, winny and Ox are the top 3 that really bring out better physique. I'm not a genetic freak though either, not bad, but not top of the food chain either like a lot of members here. Masteron works very well for some, but it hasn't worked as well as winny for me.

There definately needs to be some strategy play involved though, because you do not want to go from taking large amounts of the stronger compounds only to transition over to weaker ones, especially when you are in a more catabolic state while eating lower calories.

But yes, I agree, a good diet with test only can take many people fairly far (for the most part), the others are sort of just icing on the cake imo. Although, i'll admit that Tren is a almost a necessity when cutting for myself.

BMJ

 

[abolish the weak]

hell raiser, what do you mean mast is only good for women? maybe you got fake masteron, perhaps? just saying. masteron will give your physique a certain look other cannot match. in fact, some people swear it hardens them up better than tren... but, i do agree with you, test and tren is really all you need (if youre not competing)

fuck man, with a solid diet, training and cardio, I think test and tren is all anyone needs to kick as in a show on the local level!! If your not winning overalls with just that, you def do not have the genetics to go much further beyond. And no, for the record I'm not winning overalls in my shows, LOL

 

[tatteredxangelx]

All of those compounds do things that test can't do.

Deca- joint lubricaton, excellent when peaking for a PL meet
EQ - increased RBC count for athletes
Anavar - Strength gain w/o bloat or weight gain and collagen synthetis
masteron - hardens like no other (from what I have seen, never used)
primo - never used

"And how does a "weaker" steroid make you more cut than another?"

This comment makes no sense, I have no idea where you are going with it. Different compounds do different things, do you mean Anabolic/Androgenic ratio?

I do agree that all one needs to get into great shape and push workouts further is testosterone, but even I, who has never stepped on a BB stage, realizes that more than testosterone is needed to nail that anatomy chart look.

 

[tatteredxangelx]

fuck man, with a solid diet, training and cardio, I think test and tren is all anyone needs to kick as in a show on the local level!! If your not winning overalls with just that, you def do not have the genetics to go much further beyond. And no, for the record I'm not winning overalls in my shows, LOL

That may be true, but some people don't react the same way off tren. Tren gives me horrible cystic acne, and does more or less the same thing that test does for me. The results I see off winstrol are 5x better than tren. I lose all water, harden up in an almost cartoon like fashion, and gain muscle mass and strength at the same time.

 

[abolish the weak]

That may be true, but some people don't react the same way off tren. Tren gives me horrible cystic acne, and does more or less the same thing that test does for me. The results I see off winstrol are 5x better than tren. I lose all water, harden up in an almost cartoon like fashion, and gain muscle mass and strength at the same time.

well good deal, stick with it then. Like I said above, I think everyone is different. I've known guys to get shredded on dbol before, no kidding

 

[Pristi1340]

That may be true, but some people don't react the same way off tren. Tren gives me horrible cystic acne, and does more or less the same thing that test does for me. The results I see off winstrol are 5x better than tren. I lose all water, harden up in an almost cartoon like fashion, and gain muscle mass and strength at the same time.

winny is good shit isn't it? how much do you run ED? oral or inject mate?

 

[Pristi1340]

EQ will make your vains look like they are going to explode. Most will hold a bit of water on this drug so maybe stop it at the 5 week out mark. I wonder has anyone tried to add it back in the last week of prep to increase RBC like some people do with oxys.

Deca : crap pre contest drug IMO

Mast : The only drug that will give you that really hard granit look if your BF is low enough. Yates comes to mind. It will also lower estrogen and shbg witch in turn make us look dryer.

Primo & Var : Two of the most safest drugs we use and the only two anabolics that will cause muscle growth is a Kcal controled diet(pre contest).

Food plays the biggest part in all this guys.to get the fat off but not to be over looked is all these drugs that will give us better condition than test the last few weeks.

how do you feel about NPP leading up to contest? ive seen some ppl run this up til show time because they claim they get no water retention at all, and it also keeps them hard

 

[get it in ya]

everyone is different like said above. d bol gets me lean, i dont gain weight from anadrol and i have tried probably 10 different kinds of both. all steroids work, just different and better for others.

 

[tatteredxangelx]

I like to run oral winstrol @ 25-50mg ED for 8 weeks. I only ran inj winny once, but it was fake so I didn't get any results. If I decide to cycle again, I am going to run a 30 day suspension/winstrol 100mg ED cycle.

ATW, my muscles don't really bloat, only my face and nipples do, so when I run dbol, it just gives me a really full look. When I diet on top of this, I can cut up on d's. Dbol/winstrol/test/gh is the best cutting cycle I ever ran. Full, dry and lean.

 

[Pristi1340]

I like to run oral winstrol @ 25-50mg ED for 8 weeks. I only ran inj winny once, but it was fake so I didn't get any results. If I decide to cycle again, I am going to run a 30 day suspension/winstrol 100mg ED cycle.

ATW, my muscles don't really bloat, only my face and nipples do, so when I run dbol, it just gives me a really full look. When I diet on top of this, I can cut up on d's. Dbol/winstrol/test/gh is the best cutting cycle I ever ran. Full, dry and lean.

its nice to see you do so well on a low dose of winny

 

[b-boy]

EQ will make your vains look like they are going to explode. Most will hold a bit of water on this drug so maybe stop it at the 5 week out mark. I wonder has anyone tried to add it back in the last week of prep to increase RBC like some people do with oxys.

Deca : crap pre contest drug IMO

Mast : The only drug that will give you that really hard granit look if your BF is low enough. Yates comes to mind. It will also lower estrogen and shbg witch in turn make us look dryer.

Primo & Var : Two of the most safest drugs we use and the only two anabolics that will cause muscle growth is a Kcal controled diet(pre contest).

Food plays the biggest part in all this guys.to get the fat off but not to be over looked is all these drugs that will give us better condition than test the last few weeks.

great post!!!!

 

[hellraiser27]

Not trying to mean..... but your not a big guy. And it seems youv'e been doing it a long time.
Again I'm not trying to be mean at all. Maybe you body just doesn't grow like other people, so you don't expirence the benifits that other people do when useing a "bulking" compounds.

I don't take any offense to this. But to set the record straight, I do have an obvious bodybuilders physique. Not a single day goes by that I am approached by someone asking me about BB, diet, steroids, supplements, exercises, gyms, or training. I do have a personal training business so I wear my tshirts with my logo(mustangfitness, google it) so that helps also.

Anyway, I was talking about cutting not bulking.