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What is everyone's definition of natural.?

Jammin

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Just curious. I've been clean, no aas/peptides/hormones nothing for 21 years. Just food & supplements (bcaa/protein/omegas etc). I spent 5 years of my youth 18_23 on test and Orals.

So am I classed as natural now or not because of my 5 year spell on.

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Well, steroids have been shown to cause "permanent" alterations to muscle, which theoretically can be an advantage even when clean years later, so a purist will say that once you do them you are never a natural again.
The research on the long term effects prompted the drug testing orgs to issue longer bans with quite a few calling for a lifetime ban from the first offence.

But why care about it, everything man is capable of doing is natural. This pure natural human being is a concept that doesn't jive with me philosophically :D
 

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Natural for me atleast, is one who never touch gear, or any other enhancement drug that are classified illegal in sports..
That includes drugs like clen, t3, efedrin and other prescription drugs. Blood doping might fit here also.

You might not touch gear for 5, 10, 20 years, but did prior to this... not natural any more..
Say you blast hgh in mega doses for 5 years combined with other roids. And then be clean for 5.
You think the guys who never touched gear will be at same level ? I think not..
 

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Well, steroids have been shown to cause "permanent" alterations to muscle, which theoretically can be an advantage even when clean years later, so a purist will say that once you do them you are never a natural again.
The research on the long term effects prompted the drug testing orgs to issue longer bans with quite a few calling for a lifetime ban from the first offence.

But why care about it, everything man is capable of doing is natural. This pure natural human being is a concept that doesn't jive with me philosophically :D
Very true KS, at least for me. During those 5 years I worked in a hardcore gym eat /sleep/breath bodybuilding so gave my body the best environment to grow. Forward to today and with average training /diet I find I can hold a somewhat ok size... For a natural[emoji3]

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Natural for me atleast, is one who never touch gear, or any other enhancement drug that are classified illegal in sports..
That includes drugs like clen, t3, efedrin and other prescription drugs. Blood doping might fit here also.

You might not touch gear for 5, 10, 20 years, but did prior to this... not natural any more..
Say you blast hgh in mega doses for 5 years combined with other roids. And then be clean for 5.
You think the guys who never touched gear will be at same level ? I think not..
That's a fair point. I guess it's the lasting residual benefits that determine this.
Some may say trt is still natural. For me I don't care, not trying to label anyone.

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That's a fair point. I guess it's the lasting residual benefits that determine this.
Some may say trt is still natural. For me I don't care, not trying to label anyone.

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Just thinking more on your comments... Then would you consider an asthma inhaler as PED, I believe some athletes in IOC ruling have been banned for using this?

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Very true KS, at least for me. During those 5 years I worked in a hardcore gym eat /sleep/breath bodybuilding so gave my body the best environment to grow. Forward to today and with average training /diet I find I can hold a somewhat ok size... For a natural[emoji3]

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Jammin,
How does your current level of size and strength compare to what you achieved during that 5 year period?
 

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Jammin,
How does your current level of size and strength compare to what you achieved during that 5 year period?
Of course No comparison Equaliser, my strength back then was through the roof, thought I could lift the gym and go back for more. Today I probably lift 50% of the weight as an average in the main compound exercises. But now I'm older and joints etc getting punished I focus on higher rep workouts.

For size and muscle quality again no comparison.

But I would also say the environment I was surrounded by back then, anyone would grow, gear or no gear.

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So am I classed as natural now or not because of my 5 year spell on.

No, but, who cares?

Each one has a different definition of what it is to be natural. Most just talk that if you pass drug controls, then, you are not cheating.

For those of us who do not compete, we simply choose tools that we want to use, regardless of whether they are supplements, fat burners, steroids, GH SEO or slin.

Simply, all I ask is that people tell the truth, because there are a lot of people who tell lies in forums and social networks.
 
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Just curious. I've been clean, no aas/peptides/hormones nothing for 21 years. Just food & supplements (bcaa/protein/omegas etc). I spent 5 years of my youth 18_23 on test and Orals.

So am I classed as natural now or not because of my 5 year spell on.

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Fake natty

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this is a good question-you don't know what they put in supplements I wonder about the first time I took creatine if they put some dbol in there? I put on 15lbs in like 4 weeks of muscle and all I did was eat...

Back in the day ephidrene was legal now it's a banned substance would that be considered natural using that?
 

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To me, being natural means you have not touch AAS and HGH (particularly).

AAS and HGH can cause permanent gains even after stoping the both for years.
 

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Some may say trt is still natural.

I will say even true trt is a MAJOR advantage over being clean, even if your numbers are still in the normal range.
For example, you can keep test at high normal and it stays there, whether overtraining, undereating etc. No normal fluctuations. No natural age related declines.

Some think natural has to do with legality or following completely arbitrary doping lists of drug testing organizations. There are a shitload of legal and approved drugs that have proven to improve performance, from Viagra to Tylenol. Testosterone is a hell of a lot more natural than Viagra or Tylenol. That's why all this "natural" talk is nonsense, as is the "drug free athlete" - they hardly exist.
 
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No AS, HCG, HGH, SARM's, Pep's. no reseacrch chems. etc. If you can't get it at the grocery store or possible GNC then it aint allowed.
 

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To me, it's anything that really provides a muscle building advantage, like AAS (and DS/PH) and HGH. Stuff like clen, T3, DNP, etc. to me is still natural because they are just fat burners.
 

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Natural natty would be only using diet and exercise. Enhanced natty would be using legal supplements that are not AAS or hormones.


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Taken last week I think
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Looking nice and thick bro......midsection still small which enhances your overall look.

Nicely done!

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