What is the VERDICT????

Steak Helmet · Jan 30, 2004

I am curious on what the verdict is...

When staying on a long cycle, does the receptors start to lose their luster...can they stay stimulated and have means for new growth??

I know someone on here was doing a study last Sept, I am just curious if we have a verdict on the long cycle theroy??

I know the pros stay on year round, but they also add other things into their cycles that may help??

So if I continue to eat the same and stay on my stuff for a year, can I see the same results if I cycled on and off throughout the year?? Which would be best??? Getting the gear is not an issue.

Armageddon · Jan 30, 2004

I don't know about the study, but there won't be much changes if you eat the same. Cause if your trying to grow you'll need more food than normal. So there is one thing that you would need to change.

weight77 · Jan 30, 2004

You wont see the same results you will see more..You just wont blow up all the time like if you were to go off and then back on..

You will only get so far a each dose..the only difference between staying on and coming off cycles is that you yo yo more with off and on..you blow up and shirnk down when you cycle on and off..

Ry Roid · Jan 30, 2004

I see no point in staying...

...on all year. You have to give yourself a break and don't look at it like you will lose when off but, think of it as 2 steps forward and 1 step back. You will continue to gain if you give yourself your break.

RY

Steak Helmet · Jan 30, 2004

Thanks RY...

I am just waiting on my HCG so I can take a break.

I know I need to eat more...I also need to drink more water.

I was just curious if I would keep growing or would they get so saturated, that I would be wasting gear and money?

Armageddon · Jan 30, 2004

I do fine on low doses and don't change much from that. I don't personally feel that you have to contiuously go up. I can generally do the same or close to the same doses a few time in a row and have good results as long as I'm eating clean.

Big A · Jan 31, 2004

You should be having blood tests every 6 weeks or so.
There are two reasons to come off - your health or your receptors. If the blood tests are OK, which they should be if you do everything right, then health is ok.
If you keep growing, which should be if you plan your cycle right, your receptors are fine too.

If you stay on year round, at the end of the year you will be much further ahead than if you cycled thorughout that year.

There are certain precautions you have to take - no smoking, drinking, rec drugs. Use all the ancilliaries out there to make you have everything covered.

Don't use HCG when you are comming off as you will prolong your recovery. Only use HCG during a cycle to keep your balls at a normal size and to also have them 'remembering' how to function normally. You should use clomid when you come off.

Steak Helmet · Jan 31, 2004

Thanks BIG A...

I feel as though I am at the same weight, but my body fat has decreased and I am still getting stronger. I have been doing a heavy 12 week cycle then a lower dose 8 week to give my body a break...then back to the heavy one. I would like to get to 265 then lean down to 243 and compete. BUt I do not want to get my butt up on stage at 6'0" 200lbs...6' 243 would be best.

My health is good, but I do not feel I am growing...it is all mental I am sure.

How would I keep my receptors fresh on a year round cycle?? Confusing them??? DOing the low high cycles??? Thanks for all your help.

And no way will I ever use REC DRUGS...never touched them never will.

Ry Roid · Jan 31, 2004

If you decide to go year round!!

Just keep switching up compounds. Find top 5-6 that work for you and keeps switching them. I have done about 3-4 years of no breaking so I know a little about it but, not as much as Big A does. Every 4-6 weeks switch up the anabolics and keep a base of test going every week. Keep tabs in only a minimum of times since you don't need the kickstart since you will be on for 365 fucking days.LOL

RY

DamageInc · Jan 31, 2004

BigA said it bro...I can't grow if I keep going on and off. You have to saty on for a long period of time to solidify those gains. I am not against ever coming off but this 8 weeks on and then a few months off is a waste of a fucking cycle. I used to do it like that and I would gain and lose. If i stay on than my gains keep coming and in a year I am overall heavier and stronger. You forget that when you come off for months you may lose 15 lbs or so....Then you get back on and the first 15lbs you gain is just getting you back to where you were. Measure your gains in a year using both systems and i gaurantee you will se more dramitc change both in weight and muscle maturity. Keep it safe as far as precautions and not drinking etc and you should have no problem. And as Ry says keep switching up compounds. Orals are the only thing I cycle. I obviously won't stay on A 50 year round. Just my 2 cents.

DamageInc

"When in doubt...choke em out"

LouMessina · Jan 31, 2004

Short Cycles

I wouldn't stare at the tree so closely. If you take a few steps back and look at the entire forest, you'll realize that it's practically a universal reaction in all medicine that the body adjusts to any type of medication and the law of diminishing returns comes into play, as well as a span of side-effects and risks, only some of which are known or can be detected.

The law of diminishing returns comes into play anyway, but is significantly amplified if there is no period when the body is off of the medication. I also think you'd be creating an enrivonment for side-effects to progress unharnessed, if the body is not occasionally brought back to homeostasis.

gimmejuice · Jan 31, 2004

perhaps then 5 months on, 2-3 off would be a good way to go...?
Best of both worlds? just a thought.

GJ

drgoodbody · Feb 1, 2004

I'm trying 6 months on, 3 months off and repeat. Finished my 6 on at the end of the 2003, so now I've been off about a month. Seems to be working, but coming off is mentally hard. Also I'm going in for blood work this week, but I'm feeling almost back to normal hormonally (big drop in libido compared to what it was)

DrG

weight77 · Feb 1, 2004

mental preparation is key when coming off for me..

Mr_Magoo · Feb 1, 2004

drgoodbody said:
I'm trying 6 months on, 3 months off and repeat. Finished my 6 on at the end of the 2003, so now I've been off about a month. Seems to be working, but coming off is mentally hard. Also I'm going in for blood work this week, but I'm feeling almost back to normal hormonally (big drop in libido compared to what it was)

DrG

this is the system i use, although sometimes ill extend either the on or off period longer but i find this works well

remember if ur smart, there is no reason u cant gain a little more when off if u are using the right compounds and certainly no reason u need to regress

LouMessina · Feb 1, 2004

Cycling

I don't think this is something to be evaluating by your progress or mental feel. Blood work is mandatory. Use that as a barometer.

I would be reluctant to go more than 12 weeks on & 12 weeks off unless there was some specific medical feedback I received that tells me otherwise.