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Witch martial art to study?

Jimbo

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I have always wanted to study matial arts but how in the hell do you choose one of the arts to study? kung fu/karate/jui jitsu/judo?????

Im sure we must have some brothers in here that study? Witch one would you say that would be the most effective in real world combat? any input?
 
Jimbo said:
I have always wanted to study matial arts but how in the hell do you choose one of the arts to study? kung fu/karate/jui jitsu/judo?????

Im sure we must have some brothers in here that study? Witch one would you say that would be the most effective in real world combat? any input?

For real world applicability, I'd say go with either Juijitsu, Muay Thai, or one of the progressive Jeet Kun Do styles (mainly because they incorporate alot of Muay Thai). Krav Maga can be good, if you can find a real school, and not one that just capitalizes off the name and doesn't actually know what they're doing. Jiujitsu is most grappling and combat from the clinch position and ground fighting, while Muay Thai depends more on strikes, mainly using your elbows and knees. If you want to learn how to do flashy jump spinning crescent kicks and stuff, go with a more traditional form.
 
"If you want to learn how to do flashy jump spinning crescent kicks and stuff, go with a more traditional form."

Exactly what I want to avoid. Thanks for the input dude
 
I kicked boxed for four years and loved it. Nothing like the feeling of knocking fools out. I have always wanted to get in to the NHB circuit but there are not any good schools in my area. If i had a choice it would deff. be Brazilan Juijitsu. One day when i move form this small ass town i will do it.
 
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for starts then expand from there!

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Ground fighting

90% of all fights end up on the ground.
 
Not so

90% of all fights dont end up on the ground, If u are unskilled 90% of all fights end up on the ground ...If skilled 90% end up where u want them the other guy on the ground with ur knee in his kneck and an arm bar, and more damage to go...Break an ankle , knee , shoulder, elbow...The last place u want to be in a street fight is on the ground..especially in a street fight.. unless ur trained in lose quarters combat..Streets are unpredictable, the best wrestler is unaware of ground situations in the street...so u get the guy down and ur workin on a submission...next thing u know his buddyn comes and kicks u in the fucking teeth..or yur rolling around on broken glass,,In the street you want to end it standing up..that means doing as much major damage in as little time possible ..if it goes down then fine you got skills there thats good but skils or not u gonna get road rash.. Best defense is an all out stand up assault to your reference point where your skills are automatic to terminate either by submission, incapacitation, or if mortal threat..termination... (depending on the laws of your state) is only if your life is in danger.. and u can prove it.. If weapons are involved, its best to unarm the opponiant and call for police, while keeping your opponiant compromised, if you harm them with their own weapon, it acn be used aginst u..
 
stand up: muay thai; boxing
ground: bjj; wrestling

ive taken all of the above and there are very few people I couldn't handle as a result
 
cryptasm said:
90% of all fights dont end up on the ground, If u are unskilled 90% of all fights end up on the ground ...If skilled 90% end up where u want them the other guy on the ground with ur knee in his kneck and an arm bar, and more damage to go...Break an ankle , knee , shoulder, elbow...The last place u want to be in a street fight is on the ground..especially in a street fight.. unless ur trained in lose quarters combat..Streets are unpredictable, the best wrestler is unaware of ground situations in the street...so u get the guy down and ur workin on a submission...next thing u know his buddyn comes and kicks u in the fucking teeth..or yur rolling around on broken glass,,In the street you want to end it standing up..that means doing as much major damage in as little time possible ..if it goes down then fine you got skills there thats good but skils or not u gonna get road rash.. Best defense is an all out stand up assault to your reference point where your skills are automatic to terminate either by submission, incapacitation, or if mortal threat..termination... (depending on the laws of your state) is only if your life is in danger.. and u can prove it.. If weapons are involved, its best to unarm the opponiant and call for police, while keeping your opponiant compromised, if you harm them with their own weapon, it acn be used aginst u..


I'm with you on this one! Hand speed with power will end it fast.

MR.Nitrous
 
Try taking one of the Filipino arts like Kali. It will
teach you not only empty hand fighting but also cover most
of the weapons that you will find out on the streets as well
as ground fighting and wrestilng.
 
I took Tae Kwon Do

For 7 yrs as a kid, helps alot with disipline. I still know everything, but I have taken up the art of Smith a Wesson :D
 
Kung Fu, American Boxing and Grappling.

You should be pretty proficient in keeping the school bully from taking your lunch money if you learn all 3. ;)
 
90% of all fights dont end up on the ground, If u are unskilled 90% of all fights end up on the ground ...If skilled 90% end up where u want them the other guy on the ground with ur knee in his kneck and an arm bar, and more damage to go...Break an ankle , knee , shoulder, elbow...The last place u want to be in a street fight is on the ground..especially in a street fight.. unless ur trained in lose quarters combat..Streets are unpredictable, the best wrestler is unaware of ground situations in the street...so u get the guy down and ur workin on a submission...next thing u know his buddyn comes and kicks u in the fucking teeth..or yur rolling around on broken glass,,In the street you want to end it standing up..that means doing as much major damage in as little time possible ..if it goes down then fine you got skills there thats good but skils or not u gonna get road rash.. Best defense is an all out stand up assault to your reference point where your skills are automatic to terminate either by submission, incapacitation, or if mortal threat..termination... (depending on the laws of your state) is only if your life is in danger.. and u can prove it.. If weapons are involved, its best to unarm the opponiant and call for police, while keeping your opponiant compromised, if you harm them with their own weapon, it acn be used aginst u..

Sounds like Kun Tao is what would be needed then.
 
dragonfire101 said:
Sounds like Kun Tao is what would be needed then.
Kun Tao??? never heard of it , what is it in any case check this out www.fight2survive.com i take this along with other MMAS, but this shit rules..it is total anialation and easy to learn..
 
Krav Maga and BJJ

I have been taking classes in BJJ for like 2 years now, I really enjoy the workout and I feel a little more confidence knowing that I could take a punch and control the tempo of a street fight. Then I went to the Krav Maga classes, that stuff is brutal, going for the kill on every move type of stuff. But both are alot of fun
 
Im my opinion

If you are talking about real life(on d streets) combat I would have to say kickboxing coz if you are getting jumped by a bunch of thugs breaking one off with an armbar would be great but what about his friends stomping you on the head?With kickboxing you can utilize all of your natural weapons you'll have the speed and the tactics to get away or stay on your feet.Most grappling techniques are designed for combat one on one or in a controlled environment.Grappling requires you to be in close contact with your opponent as well,not advisable if he has a weapon.With kickboxing you will at least have the background to fight from a distance n dodge n counter his attacks effectively.
If you will be competing in full contact matches then jiu-jitsu has proven itself over and over again as the most effective form of grappling.Just look at UFC n Pride,the majority of fighters to beat and with titles are grapplers who've mastered jiu-jitsu,I think that Tito Ortiz is about the only grappler with a title that's not a jiu-jitsu expert (correct me if Im wrong)he's more of a freestyle wrestler,ground n pound type of fellow.
Only you know what you really want to get out of learning any given style.Peace Out
 
Kun Tao is a filipino martial art. I have taken Krav Maga and Kun Tao is alot more deadly. Kun Tao is the most complete art I have come across. Not alot of people know about it until recentlel. My instructor teaches antiterrorist tactics to the Filipino Army and many law enforcement officers. Prior to it I took Kenpo and Krav Maga and Wrestled for 10 years.

History of Kun Tao
In recent years, Philippine martial arts have gained prominence and notoriety through growing interest in the art of armies. As the western world becomes intrigued with the art of stick fighting, it clamors for more information about Philippine martial arts. As a result of this exposure, researchers discovered little-known systems and styles of physical and mental combat. They discovered Sikran, Buno, DeSikad, Gumol and Pangenlis to name a few. Of all the obscure styles of combat innate to the Philippines, Kun Tao is fast becoming a well-known system of self-defense art.

Kun Tao originated in southern Mindanao, around the year 1365. The system was developed to defend against invaders from the neighboring islands in that region. It was not until 1521 when Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Philippines, that outsiders first became aware of Kun Tao and the other martial arts that are native to the Philippine Islands.

In March of 1521, Ferdinand Magellan with his sea-weary crew huddled together on Magellan's flagship, the Victoria, after his other two ships (the Conception and Trinidad) had sighted the southeastern extremity of Zamal (Samar) an island in the Eastern Visayian Islands. This was a significant moment in Philippine history, for it was the first time that the outside world, especially the western world, knew about the Philippines. Unfortunately, this discovery led to over three hundred years of Spanish domination.

Not knowing how the natives would receive them, and taking into account the weary and ailing condition of his crew, Magellan decided to move on to other islands that may be less inhabited and less dangerous. The following day, Magellan spotted such an island, known as Humongous. It was an island located eleven miles from his first sighting. The island was uninhabited and safe for the landing of small boats on the beach.

Once his crew had a chance to recover from their journey, Magellan set out to explore other nearby islands. On one such junket, Magellan came upon an island where he became friendly with Rajah (Chief) Kolambu. With the help of Rajah, Magellan and his men sailed further northeast and landed on an island known as Cebu. On Cebu they met Rajah Humabon, then the ruler of Cebu. The relationship between Magellan and Rajah Koambu flourished, and in April of 1521, Magellan succeeded in having Rajah Humabon and his wife along with five hundred of his followers baptized into Christianity.

This religious conversion of Rajah Humabon, together with Magellan's military might, gave him power over the rulers of the other islands. Magellan proceeded to call all of the Rajahs on the surrounding islands to come together for a conference whereby Magellan could obtain more information concerning the other respective islands, and to rule them accordingly.

Most of the Rajahs were cooperative. However, one man resisted Magellan's words and stood against him. He was Rajah Lapu-Lapu, the ruler of the island of Mactan, a small island east of Cebu. Magellan believed that the native spears (Kampilan), broadswords (Kalis), and daggers (Daga) that Rajah Lapu-Lapu and his men used to arm themselves would be no match against his men with steel armor and muskets. Under this false confidence, Magellan led an expedition to the island of Mactan, expecting to conquer Rajah Lapu-Lapu and his men. However, Magellan learned that Lapu-Lapu was more formidable a foe than he expected. Lapu-Lapu and his men had great confidence in their antingsyntherolanting (amulets); they were also skilled in the art of Kali (the use of bladed weapons) and the Kun Tao way (the art of hand and foot fighting).

For the first time in history of Philippine fighting arts, was a native martial art used to defend it's own country. In the final outcome of the conflict, Ferdinand Magellan died on the shores of Mactan at the hands of Rajah Lapu-Lapu in a fierce hand-to-hand fight. The members of Magellan's army also suffered defeat at the bands of Lapu-Lapu's men.

As time progressed the Philippines came under the domination of the Spaniards. The ruling government was threatened by the practice of the fighting arts and in 1871 all forms of martial arts practice was banned. However, the ban did not stamp out the practice of martial arts in the Philippines. The practitioners merely went underground. They established training sites in remote areas of the mountains and forests. They continued to train and develop the fighting arts. The Spanish authorities also used this ban to flush out those who were masters and coerced them to teach their arts to the Spanish Soldiers. It was not until a century later, after a more widespread hispanization of the archipelago was achieved, that training in the fighting arts was allowed in the open as a sport and for exhibition purposes.

During the period of he ban and the turmoil that followed after the Spanish occupation, a man by the name of Amang Huinyo left Mindinao and went to southern Luzon to settle in Ogbon Nabua Cam Sur, bringing with him the art of Kun Tao.In time, Amang has two sons, Yoyang and Yong I Ban. Amang taught his sons in secrecy. When the elder Amang passed on, his two sons continued to follow in their father's footsteps. I Ban later had a son named Steban who joined his father in teaching the art of Kun Tao. Steban in due time had a son of his own named Carlito. By now the Spanish had gained a solid foothold in the Philippines.

In an effort to completely colonize the natives, the Spaniards issued a decree that the people of the islands must change their names to a Spanish surname. So it was that the name Huinyo was changed to Lanyada. Carlito as a youth lived with his father and grandfather in a secluded village where neighbors were miles apart. Because of their isolation, Carlito did not have peers to relate to and consequently in his leisure moments practiced Kun Tao with his father and grandfather. Carlito would accompany his father to all its provincial celebrations and watched with great interest when exhibitions of the fighting arts were presented. One of his favorite sports were called "the circle fight" in which two contestants get into a circle and try to push or pull the other off balance. The one who maintained his balance was declared the winner. Just when the fighting arts began to merge into the open, World War II came along with the Japanese occupation.

In 1945, the Japanese put a ban on all forms of martial arts practice. The Philippine fighting arts went underground again. Following the end of World War II when the Philippines received its independence, again the fighting arts appeared in the open. For the first time, Carlito Lanyada and his friends were able to observe various forms of fighting arts practiced by the American soldiers such as western boxing, wrestling and Jujitsu. As Filipinos observed the Americans, gradually the Filipino practitioners were willing to demonstrate their arts. During the period of the Bans, the Filipino fighting arts went through many changes. When it emerged after World War II, it was quite different than prior to that period. For example, according to the old way, Kalis was a dagger and spears art. Following World War II wooded and rattan canes were used as substitute to the dagger and spear and the art came to be known as Armis de Viarco. However, in the southern regions of the Philippines, an area dominated by Muslims, the art of Silat and Kun Tao were practiced in secret. It was an art that was practiced only by royal families and as a result did not undergo the changes Kali did.

Silat, an art of wielding the bladed weapons in much the same manner as Kali originated from a merging of the pre-Spanish Kali and a type of sword play from an exclusively Muslim Arabic source. On the other hand, Kun Tao is basically a fist and foot fighting art, utilizing the cat like, soft and hard movements characteristic of karate and kung fu. Although, masters of the past have tried to keep Kun Tao a secret, they have not been successful. People such as Amang Huinyo were able to keep the art alive by passing it through generations of son to son. About 6 to 7 years before World War II broke out, the United States armed forces sent their best men to train in jungle warfare and the art of Kun Tao. The United States, for years, has always considered the Filipinos as some of the most feared fighters in the world. The task of the Filipino masters was to construct a specialized force of elite fighting men. Their training took place in the remote areas of the Southern Philippines.
 
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That class was serious. Compared to what I am used to seeing at Tae Kwon Do, this is night and day difference. My wife and a group of her friends will be taking a full-day class for pure self-defense in about two weeks.

I'll report back then how things went.
 

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