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You don't think putting him in a state of testosterone deficiency by removing TRT would be worse for his heart?
This seems to be a point of significant disagreement. Most cardiologists don't know what to think about my TRT usage. Dr. O'Connor thinks I'll need to be on it forever. GotGame has suggested coming off of it before. You and others voiced concern that the low T would hurt me. I do not know.
I am, however, going to need to come off to try to get my girl pregnant in the next few months, at which point I was curious to see what I could get my natural levels to anyway....so it seems an apt time to try coming off and getting endogenous production restarted.
Yea but it certainly won't hurt to take them. They will aim to prevent things from getting worse. I don't think this is the time to be in money saving mode. Super high dose fish oil too (at least 4g omega 3's). And always take selenium (brazil nuts or supplement) with your Ubiquinol.
I agree it's not the time to be penny pinching. Man I think of the thousands and thousands I've spent over the years not just on the few years of gear but endless doctor appointments, loads and loads of health supplements, etc....wish I had stayed natural.
Why do you suggest the selenium with ubiquinol? I've not heard that one before. I definitely will continue to take ubiquinol, fish oil, curcumin, taurine, and citrulline as I do now. I could add back ribose and arjuna....I'll look into the studies again (feel free to post any you find promising). I just don't recall being impressed with those.
I think the best advice given thus far was to seek a second opinion from another cardiologist. I would suggest as soon as possible before it gets more serious and to not change anything (valarstan) without consulting your current (or 2nd also) cardiologist.
Since this began in 2014 I have seen a cardiac nurse practitioner, then a cardiologist at the same hospital, then a cardiologist who had a more athletic background at a renowned hospital, then a cardiologist with a very athletic background at an even more renowned hospital, then a new cardiologist when I moved, then another cardiologist when I moved again, and finally my current cardiologist I met this week....who will be referring me to a new attending cardiologist with a sports background. So that is to say I've seen one cardiac NP and 6 cardiologists over the last 5 years due to frequent moving. I have also consulted with Dr. Rand McClain, Dr. Thomas O'Connor, both known in the bodybuilding world as TRT docs. So 8+ different doctors at this point.
Hard to even summarize a general opinion there, on the whole up until this week the general opinion was that there likely was some legitimate pathological damage but it seems to have stabilized. Now the question is is it getting significantly worse.
The current cardiologist called me today to go over the echo in more detail. She did not seem to confidently have recommendations other than that she didn't think I should be on anastrazole long term (but admitted it's not the cause of the problems we're seeing here) and said we could try bumping up the Valsartan from the current 80mg per day to 120mg (80mg in the morning and 40mg at night), saying that in cardiomyopathy / heart failure patients they try to get the dose as high as is tolerated. This seemed like a hesitant / reserved recommendation on her part, with phrases like "if you're comfortable with it" "we could try it". And that a beta blocker is simply out of the question given my heart rate.