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fitnesskatz
very good discussion
very good discussion
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it has been said that if the steroid is still "cleaved" it does not show up in the blood work?
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So I went back and created a spreadsheet to calculate the level of uptake daily so you can see how much of a compound is in the blood based on injection timing. This way we can also see the trough which was not shown in those other charts.
I used Deca as the example, since that's what was mentioned in the video. 600mg's in different dosing schemes based on 15 day half life.
Note the huge difference in the peaks when injecting once per week. And with the trough shown, you can clearly see there's no real difference in the mean blood level. But it's the large peaks the video was referring to that has more anabolic effect than steady levels.
Those other charts were skewing the value on shot days because he took the entire shot amount and piled it into a day. That's not how it works.
Again - these graphs merely show the buildup of hormone that is yet to be released into the blood. Who cares about that? It's just floating around waiting to be activated. You should graph the daily release, which would be the difference of amount injected and amount remaining in ester.
What is used is what is released - not what is sitting in ester. I can't be the only person to understand this concept.......
That's what I did. I graphed the RELEASE daily. That is a daily chart showing how much is released into the bloodstream. Note the mg numbers to the left and their relative values.
That's irrelevant.
When people graph out half lives and front load etc. - they look at the amount of hormone that is still attached to the ester and then call that "hormone in the blood stream". They should be looking at the amount that has been released into the blood - they look at the wrong side of the equation. Everyone does it on the boards - it's crazy....
the charts are all based on hypothetical half lives.
like I keep trying to point out, there may be a relative release rate but it is not consistent. like th point with te, te really acts more like tne and if you use it ed you get better resleuts with lower dosing and less sides. which is I think one of emeric's main points.
again in practice I have found the people who shoot ed or as often as possible do better, less sides more results, look better.
I can think of lots of people that do these random injects or very sporatic and they always seem to be bloated and more acne.
all the theories and charts are great but at some point I think one really needs to tryit all out and compare apples to apples.
I think what I said is correct. Anyway, the more AAS that you inject at once, the more will be cleaved compared to smaller doses, hence a higher peak, correct?
I think what I said is correct. Anyway, the more AAS that you inject at once, the more will be cleaved compared to smaller doses, hence a higher peak, correct?
Assuming Prop is a 1 day half-life. Here you have Test Prop with injections split E3D, EOD, and ED.
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An this last graph is exactly what I was talking about. Te levels of the e3d will NEVER. Be reached on and ed schedule. And which do you think gives better gains? More or less drugs? Assuming the training and diet is spot on! Higher level in the system. If your worried about side effect ten taking drugs may not be the smartest thing. If you want to be as massive as possible. Bigger less frequent doses look to be the way to go!
I'm just thinking, back in Arnold's time, they had no bodybuilding boards, they didn't have coq 10, fish oil and other bunch of shit that we take for "health" purposes, they didn't take BCAAs and aminos.... and talk about either inject once a week or 100 times a day... or eat 3 big meals vs 10 small meals
and YET those guys were still better looking than all of us in here, minus they had no insulin or GH, that's why they were lighter !! And look, most of them live longer than today's bodybuilders, they didn't take PCTs and other stuff
hmmm just thinking, I'm mind fucked
Some very good points. We do seem to overcomplicate a lot of things these days. A ton of good food and as much gear as your Comftable with and training fucking hard is all you really need
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When I used to pin twice a week with long ester test I would get terrible acne and become a walking water ballon. Since switching to EOD pins I hold hardly any water and my skin looks great. Thats all the proof I need.