LIVER IS FUCKED

[hollaatyaboyy1]

I would cut out all of the liver supplements 5 days out from your test. I know with NAC, some bottles state that liver values may come up as elevated. Go into the blood test clean.

Do you think 3-4 weeks is enough time to see if levels are dropping. I don't expect them to be normal but I just want to know I'm. Getting better
...... No other major problems


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[lntense]

I would think a trt dose 100-150mg of test a week would be easier on your liver than taking clomid plus you would feel better.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

I'm not on any pct now nothing but the liver supps. I stopped everything Zero libido but other then that I dont feel terrible I was going to wait to see if values are going down before I started doing hrt doses


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[The Rock 123]

Go to Isarms and hit me up or find iwgf

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[hollaatyaboyy1]

Go to Isarms and hit me up or find iwgf

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Done


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[Bigunitny]

1500mg of choline / 1500mg of inositol

Glutathiomine

30 Days

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

1500mg of choline / 1500mg of inositol

Glutathiomine

30 Days

You like this more then the support supps like liv52 and NAC and tudca?


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[The Rock 123]

This is many classes above any of those support supplements
Use it twice a week 600 mg a week with b12. Racehorsemeds.com they have it and it affordable and works well

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[Bigunitny]

You like this more then the support supps like liv52 and NAC and tudca?


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I like tudca and NAC just got labs done using the combo of these
Nac
Liv52
Tudca
Choline
Inositol

Labs were within safe range

 

[Drift Wood]

nope lay off the orals


does udca or tudca actually work better than milk thistle, and cycle supports?

No. My wife is seeing a hepatologist for an auto-immune disease and during one of her appointments I took the opportunity to ask a specialist about this... He's been practicing for 35+ years and seems to know what the fuck he's talking about. He said that neither Tudca nor UDCA (which my wife is currently taking) will do anything to protect the liver from steroid use. He said that both milk thistle and caffeine are the only 2 over-the-counter substances he would recommend as they both protect the liver from fibrosis... google caffeine and fibrosis...

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

No. My wife is seeing a hepatologist for an auto-immune disease and during one of her appointments I took the opportunity to ask a specialist about this... He's been practicing for 35+ years and seems to know what the fuck he's talking about. He said that neither Tudca nor UDCA (which my wife is currently taking) will do anything to protect the liver from steroid use. He said that both milk thistle and caffeine are the only 2 over-the-counter substances he would recommend as they both protect the liver from fibrosis... google caffeine and fibrosis...

Hepatic fibrosis is overly exuberant wound healing in which excessive connective tissue builds up in the liver. The extracellular matrix is overproduced, degraded deficiently, or both. The trigger is chronic injury, especially if there is an inflammatory component.

Increased caffeine consumption is associated with reduced hepatic fibrosis. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[johnjuanb1]

No. My wife is seeing a hepatologist for an auto-immune disease and during one of her appointments I took the opportunity to ask a specialist about this... He's been practicing for 35+ years and seems to know what the fuck he's talking about. He said that neither Tudca nor UDCA (which my wife is currently taking) will do anything to protect the liver from steroid use. He said that both milk thistle and caffeine are the only 2 over-the-counter substances he would recommend as they both protect the liver from fibrosis... google caffeine and fibrosis...

Wow!!! Caffeine protects the liver? Nice! I was feeling guilty about using caffeine preworkout.

 

[Drift Wood]

Wow!!! Caffeine protects the liver? Nice! I was feeling guilty about using caffeine preworkout.

Recommended dose is around 300mg daily.

 

[Bigunitny]

To the guys that were following this thread. How long do you suppose I should wait to retest after cutting everything out and using support supps


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1 month if you literally clean everything. The labs will rebound in 1 month if you stay clean . If the bounce back doesnt occur you should alert primary care and see if they will serve you some options. I have seen my numbers bounce back in 1 month like clock work.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

1 month if you literally clean everything. The labs will rebound in 1 month if you stay clean . If the bounce back doesnt occur you should alert primary care and see if they will serve you some options. I have seen my numbers bounce back in 1 month like clock work.

Yea I'm being very very clean and I'm going to be retesting in one month after test even if they are not fully in range as long as the values are going down. I know I'm going in the right direction


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[rAJJIN]

Yea I'm being very very clean and I'm going to be retesting in one month after test even if they are not fully in range as long as the values are going down. I know I'm going in the right direction


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I'm curious to see it. Keep us posted

 

[brutus69]

im following this, def keep updating yr condition.
i got a doc now who wants to do full bloodwork and an mri since i had one, well, never mind that.
im actually scared to get the bloods cuz i dont want to see how bad they are, if they are. but years of drinking, opiate abuse, and steroid cycles couldnt be good. upside is i got health insurance back so he wants me on legit monitored trt.

 

[buck1973]

Mr. Holla,
Its been my xperience , coming off cycle (short esters) with high liver enzymes. I can b back in range in 3 weeks.... before i used any liver supps it was much longer. I have weekly blds all over the forum to show this.
being clean and time are the best ways to get to normal levels.
There is no magic defense substance..
I have not seen testosterone on itself significantly raise liver enzymes even at higher levels than TRT.

Peace

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Mr. Holla,

Its been my xperience , coming off cycle (short esters) with high liver enzymes. I can b back in range in 3 weeks.... before i used any liver supps it was much longer. I have weekly blds all over the forum to show this.

being clean and time are the best ways to get to normal levels.

There is no magic defense substance..

I have not seen testosterone on itself significantly raise liver enzymes even at higher levels than TRT.



Peace

Will def keep updating the thread for sure it's actually keeping me motivated to stay super clean Not a sip of alcohol and nothing extra besides liver sups

Thanks for your input. I don't want to start the trt for two reasons.

1 I haven't cleaned my body out and been completely natural for 3-4 years. So if there is anything to "resetting receptors" and bouncing back better when I jump on I want to take advantage of that

2. I'm extremely estrogen sensitive. Even a little test over time requires an ai I don't want to put arimidex or aromasin in there and possibly cause an interaction with the liver and such




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[hollaatyaboyy1]

Ok guys so I had my blood drawn yesterday after about a month off everything as well as zero alcohol and zero supplements other then liver supps Talked with the doc and she plans to give me 200mg test a week as an hrt dose as soon as my levels come back low. Hoping that the month off has my bloodwork going I. The right direction. If not I got a lot bigger problems to worry about.

Will update the thread when I get the results


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