1gram of test while cutting???

[solid]

Im currently on my 2nd week of Test enanthate, so far things seems good. I'm trying to cut and i have my diet in check. Now I have gotten bloated fom test on previous cycles, and this time around i increased my dosage to 1gram ( this is my 4th cycle) should i expect a lot more bloat from this cycle since i did up the dosage? I am doing about 4-5hrs of cardio a week and i'm consuming carbs only in my first three meals of the day and simple carbs post workout, so maybe i won't get bloated to the extent that i'm worrying about. How do you guys control the water retention at 1gram of test? I've tried nolva before and didnt seem like it did much.

 

[aesop]

Why the hell would you use 1 gram of test to cut. i mean yeah you can do that but why? What is your freaking logic behind that. Why dont you use 300 it will work just the same for cutting. Maybe throw in a little bit of masteron or tren or var or winny, but why the fuck would you cut on 1grm of test.

 

[solid]

lol, geeez take it easy bro. There are guys out there that use 2grams if not even more, while they diet and i'm sure that some guys on here would agree with me. I could always drop it back down to 500mgs, but back to my original question what would be the most effective way to control bloat? is there that much of a difference between 500mgs to 1gram?

 

[norm1220]

Go with prop for your test, use Letro for your anti-e, add masteron, watch your sodium intake too. That's about the best you can do with using high test while cutting.

Sure you can use test e, but you won't be as dry as you would using prop. I like to get rid of all the long acting esters like cyp, enanthanate, etc. at 8-10 weeks out from a show. The exception is EQ, which I don't get rid of until 2 weeks out.

 

[Uluwatu]

I would say that 1000mg of test is a bit much for cutting unless you are a pro or top level NPC competitor. I would go with 300 to 500 mgs per week, along with a good anabolic, and some fat burners. I believe that should be enough to hold onto what ever muscle you have, while dropping bodyfat with a good diet. Arimidex to control bloat

 

[vitor]

1/2mg Arimdex EOD

 

[BigWilly]

stats?

 

[AWN2004]

Go with prop for your test, use Letro for your anti-e, add masteron, watch your sodium intake too. That's about the best you can do with using high test while cutting.

Sure you can use test e, but you won't be as dry as you would using prop. I like to get rid of all the long acting esters like cyp, enanthanate, etc. at 8-10 weeks out from a show. The exception is EQ, which I don't get rid of until 2 weeks out.

Wow....ummm Im not trying to bash anyone but seriously this is exactly whats wrong with the internet these days. Ok maybe this is what works for Norm1220 but you can use oils all the way up to the day of the show...not to mention did the guy even say he was competing? Yeah he said he was cutting but he never said he was stepping on stage. I think people just post what they have read on other boards and not what they have done personaly in some crazy attempt to give advice. There is no written rule on how to cut bodyfat with drugs....seriously. Its only a pattern most have followed based on whatever someone else has tried. The fact of the matter is you could Anadrol to cut if you wanted to or D-bol. They all increase protein synthesis and THAT (keeping a positive nitrogen balance) is what keeps you anti-catabolic on reduced calories and low carbs. Now if you look at what I just said, that is the secret behind controling some of the water issues if you have them. Diet is the key to everything in most cases....whether it be adding size in the off-season of getting lean for a contest or whatever you are doing. No magic combo of drugs does the work for you....its your DIET and cardio. Aromasin and Arimidex will knock out any issues with estrogen and those are the ones Ive used and choose. The only down side is that A-dex messes your lipids up in the long run and I personaly have a family history of high cholesterol so I choose the later. So my advice is watch the sodium and keep your water intake high so your body is constantly flushing it out. You dont need to go changing your drugs thinking thats going to do the trick. Keep to the diet and cardio in check and most likely everything will be fine.

 

[km2000]

awn, good post man..

it seems as if everyone is an expert now days, i look at the threads like this and the original poster has a few posts and everyone giving advice has about the same.... not saying it really matters but my heavens its like the blind leading the blind...

it seems lke everyone is trying to gain credibility now and they are quik to spout some bullshit they heard somewhere else. if asked how or why they are non responsive even though you see them reading the post! i have seen a few of my posts almost duplicated word for word on here(not saying im an expert), but it makes me laugh!

it seems like everyone is a drug expert now.... if you guys would spend 15 min a day reading about nutrition on the net you would be one of the smarter guys here! i still do this every day, i wake up check the local news and then do a search on a subject i would like to learn more about, or continue reading where i left off the last time.... it really helps you to understand the body a lot better....

by the way, this post is really about nutrition not drugs (like awn said) cutting is done with food and cardio... not 1 gram of test....

 

[norm1220]

ok guys... Please explain to me how my advice here is an example of '.... what is wrong with the internet today'.

First of all the guy asked about drugs and water retention while cutting, not nutrition so I only went as far as recommending he watch his sodium intake with nutrition. Yes I could have gone further into diet and cardio, but it isn't what he asked about.

Second, What seems to be the problem with recommending a short ester test plus an androgenic hardener along with a strong anti-e since he is expressing concern about bloat? Once someone is using a gram of test a week they aren't exactly being conservitive with the chems so it's not like recommending someone dive into the deep end of the pool who has never been swimming before.

I'm not sure what to make of the 'instant expert' and 'blind leading the blind' comments, or if they were meant to referr to me at all. I'm no guru, but I know this stuff as well as a lot of folks on this board and better than quite a few. Training, nutrition, drugs.... I've been in the game for a long time now and I would have to be pretty stupid not to have picked a reasonable level of knowlege about this stuff by now.

I like to learn from others who know things I don't and I like to help others learn when I can. That is why I come to this board and a few others like it.

 

[AWN2004]

ok guys... Please explain to me how my advice here is an example of '.... what is wrong with the internet today'.

First of all the guy asked about drugs and water retention while cutting, not nutrition so I only went as far as recommending he watch his sodium intake with nutrition. Yes I could have gone further into diet and cardio, but it isn't what he asked about.

Second, What seems to be the problem with recommending a short ester test plus an androgenic hardener along with a strong anti-e since he is expressing concern about bloat? Once someone is using a gram of test a week they aren't exactly being conservitive with the chems so it's not like recommending someone dive into the deep end of the pool who has never been swimming before.

I'm not sure what to make of the 'instant expert' and 'blind leading the blind' comments, or if they were meant to referr to me at all. I'm no guru, but I know this stuff as well as a lot of folks on this board and better than quite a few. Training, nutrition, drugs.... I've been in the game for a long time now and I would have to be pretty stupid not to have picked a reasonable level of knowlege about this stuff by now.

I like to learn from others who know things I don't and I like to help others learn when I can. That is why I come to this board and a few others like it.

My post really wasnt aimed at you by the way. I used your post as an example and I said I wasnt trying to bash anyone. Like I said "this may have worked for you".....I guess I should have worded it a bit differently...... but for the most part I see a trend with people giving out advice thats just way off or something that they have heard and cant really base on any real world experience or back up with maybe a degree from something they have done in-depth research and studying on. Diet is the most important factor and I think some people forget how important it really is. Anabolics all do the same thing in the end and for some reason I think people assume that certain things are only used for just that purpose. You could use only test if you wanted along with a great diet/cardio program and end up looking big, hard, and lean just as easily if you used a cocktail of other stuff. Ive seen it first hand. I think people try and re-invent the wheel so to speak and forget about the most important aspect of bodybuilding and the most anabolic.....food. Thats my point I guess....sorry if it ticked you off because it wasnt my intention.

 

[norm1220]

Sorry, I guess I'm a little on edge lately. Dieting down right now, carbs are low and I manage to pick up a nasty stomach bug 6 weeks out..... I'm a bit grumpy.

 

[slowpain]

im doing 1g of test E, Tren Ace at 500mg/week, and EQ at 600mg/week and HGH and slin post workout and Im trying to bulk right now, and I am getting freaking shreaded, so there cant be anything too wrong with Test E at 1g for cutting. I mean if he was getting ready for a show yea test prop and arimidex to control estrogen conversion, so you could throw in some arimidex or letrozole to control the water retention if you want to but yea bro I like 1g test to cut, im cutting and dont want to, eating freakin fast food 2x a day and weight gainers and cant get past 220lbs, ticken me off, im 5'9" and about 9% BF.

 

[Hiramabiff]

Everyone is different I guess. A gram of Test E is actually how much test? 790mgs -800 + or - mgs of actual test; if it is even dosed correctly. UG product, probably off even more. Not as bad as it sounds. IMO. The question was aimed elsewhere anyway.

 

[vitor]

I got off my High-horse/rocker a long time ago. I would rather try to give people helpful Advice that im comfortable with, then lecture them on lowering their dose when 99% of the time they are going to do what they want anyway..