30mcg T3 120mcg T4 increase muscular gains or hinder them?

[Juice Freak]

I plan on adding a combination of 30mcgs of T3 and 120mcgs of T4 to increase my metabolism and protein turnover rate. I will be taking 1 and a half bottles of LBAs every day so that should be more then enough protein to keep me in a positive nitrogen balance. Plus my regular 8 meals. The goal is to stay lean while gaining lean body weight at a more effecient rate. I will also be cycling the following.

1000mg of primobolan ew
800mg of EQ ew
250mg of test c
80mg of anavar ed
4 ius of GH (will supress thyroid hormone output)
peg mgf
igfr3
300mg ed of S4 SARMS

 

[vadim_b1]

All depends on your overall caloric requirement.

Although overall this looks like a crazy expensive and a fairly inefficient cycle as far as choice of compounds is concerned, IMO.

 

[natabolic]

All depends on your overall caloric requirement.

Although overall this looks like a crazy expensive and a fairly inefficient cycle as far as choice of compounds is concerned, IMO.

Agreed. If your doing a bulking cycle, why throw in t3 or t4? it wont do anything but hinder your muscle gains, unless your taking in enough calories. As vadim said.

 

[muscledoc1]

Agreed. If your doing a bulking cycle, why throw in t3 or t4? it wont do anything but hinder your muscle gains, unless your taking in enough calories. As vadim said.

I disagree with you both,i think it is a VERY POTENT cycle(also fairly safe,since most of the compounds are 19nor steroid family),however i would cut the anavar to 60mg.ed and up the test to 500mg./week after a few weeks into it.as far as t3/t4,its an individual thing,since you are on GH i would probably just do t4 for about 6-8 weeks in the middle of your cycle(no more than 100-200mcg./day)-keep your calories high(dont know your stats or goals,but im assuming that you are VERY experienced if you are going to do such a cycle).

 

[natabolic]

I disagree with you both,i think it is a VERY POTENT cycle(also fairly safe,since most of the compounds are 19nor steroid family),however i would cut the anavar to 60mg.ed and up the test to 500mg./week after a few weeks into it.as far as t3/t4,its an individual thing,since you are on GH i would probably just do t4 for about 6-8 weeks in the middle of your cycle(no more than 100-200mcg./day)-keep your calories high(dont know your stats or goals,but im assuming that you are VERY experienced if you are going to do such a cycle).

I didnt say the rest of the cycle wasnt potent. The cycle looked good. But IMO if bulking, bulk. No need for t3 or t4 when gaining weight. Just my opinion.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

"(also fairly safe,since most of the compounds are 19nor steroid family),"


????

thought they were DHT derivatives, except for eq which is from test


i think the ratio in armour thyroid uses less t-3 than 30mcg... because of the t-4 conversion to t-3, you don't need as much t-3 as you would think.

personally i thought t-4 screwed with the fullness and pumps i get from igf-1. that much primo should keep you filled out though.

 

[pesty4077]

I got a question for you guys. anybody familar with mesotherapy or Tricana?

 

[vadim_b1]

I disagree with you both,i think it is a VERY POTENT cycle(also fairly safe,since most of the compounds are 19nor steroid family),however i would cut the anavar to 60mg.ed and up the test to 500mg./week after a few weeks into it.as far as t3/t4,its an individual thing,since you are on GH i would probably just do t4 for about 6-8 weeks in the middle of your cycle(no more than 100-200mcg./day)-keep your calories high(dont know your stats or goals,but im assuming that you are VERY experienced if you are going to do such a cycle).

I see high dosages of the weakest compounds, which also happen to be the most expensive...
There is not a single 19-nor compound in there FYI
As far as safety is concerned, he is using S-4, which has not been used on humans yet. Therefore your safety argument flies out of the window right there, as we do not really know how this compound affects the human body in practice.

IMO, a simple stack of 500 mg Test E+ 400 mg Tren E weekly would have done the job much better, at a fraction of the price...
Maybe throw in some IGF in there at 4 week intervals.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

agreed, the tren will actually accomplish whatever he is trying to do with the t3/t4. much simpler that way.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

some may not even need that much of it. 150mg of tren a week on top of other gear will keep it a leaner bulk.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I plan on adding a combination of 30mcgs of T3 and 120mcgs of T4 to increase my metabolism and protein turnover rate. I will be taking 1 and a half bottles of LBAs every day so that should be more then enough protein to keep me in a positive nitrogen balance. Plus my regular 8 meals. The goal is to stay lean while gaining lean body weight at a more effecient rate. I will also be cycling the following.

1000mg of primobolan ew
800mg of EQ ew
250mg of test c
80mg of anavar ed
4 ius of GH (will supress thyroid hormone output)
peg mgf
igfr3
300mg ed of S4 SARMS

Which competition are scheduled for?

 

[Massive G]

Not gonna comment on the cycle but 12.5 or 15 mcgs of T3 twice a day is more than enough to accomplish what you want.
T4 is long acting and takes several weeks to act, plus it's my thoughts long term use of T4 is thyroid suppressive in healthy individuals whereas short term use of T3 is not.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

GOOD INFO!

Not gonna comment on the cycle but 12.5 or 15 mcgs of T3 twice a day is more than enough to accomplish what you want.
T4 is long acting and takes several weeks to act, plus it's my thoughts long term use of T4 is thyroid suppressive in healthy individuals whereas short term use of T3 is not.

WHY WHY WHY USE T-4 WHEN T-3 IS ALL YOU NEED? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS THINKING TO ME

 

[dragonfire101]

WHY WHY WHY USE T-4 WHEN T-3 IS ALL YOU NEED? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS THINKING TO ME

I'm still trying to have my doctor explain this!

 

[Phidias]

WHY WHY WHY USE T-4 WHEN T-3 IS ALL YOU NEED? PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS THINKING TO ME

Mainly because docs are brainwashed by MERCK and other pharmaceuticals companies that are producing mass amounts of T4 meds...

Knowing that most people are lazy and would not be consistant enough to take T3 pills at least 2 times a day (3 is better since T3 has only a VERY SHORT half-life... 10 hours max), those labs push their T4 that will in the end convert into T3... BUT offers the great advantage of remaining in your blood for MORE THAN A WEEK, as MG stated... one pill in the morning and you're fine

 

[Phidias]

I got a question for you guys. anybody familar with mesotherapy or Tricana?

I had mesotherapy done in a cosmetic surgery clinic about 3 years ago (whole treatment lasted about 2 months, 3 appointments per week) and honestly I was VERY disappointed

Does nothing to you that Yohimburn & a good diet can't do...

Triacana I've heard good things but never used it personally.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

there is the whole argument that when the gh will upregulate the conversion of t-4 to t-3, and that the increased t-3 levels via this pathway are somehow less catabolic. everyone was into this about 2 years ago after some guru talked about it (anthony roberts?).

personally, t-4 just makes me tired... never really got much from it.

the whole t-4/t-3 ratio american doctors harp on also doesn't make sense sometimes. in my bloodwork my natural t-4 levels are always low, but t3 levels are fine

 

[Creator_11]

Wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and more beneficial to just add some cardio to your program. Adding the extra calorie expenditure you can then consume more calories, bumping up those nutrients and getting that furnace (body) buring.

 

[pesty4077]

I had mesotherapy done in a cosmetic surgery clinic about 3 years ago (whole treatment lasted about 2 months, 3 appointments per week) and honestly I was VERY disappointed

Does nothing to you that Yohimburn & a good diet can't do...

Triacana I've heard good things but never used it personally.

Thanks for the reply, I personally took thimoucase inj. for my first show and I was incredibly ripped. Just wanting to know more about tricana.