Winny is SHIT, pure SHIT -- you WILL run into inuries, shoulders, knees, ankles, wrists, elbows. It is almost a guarantee, I fucked with it for awhile and it is amazing how many injuries I got in my joints while on. I noticed it was always when I took Winni... I asked around and soon found out that I was not alone, I ran into A LOT of bros that have been a victim to winstrol. Check out the post on test only cycles -- I posted an old thread all about this very subject.