9/11 Pentagon Video O/T

IRONMAN83 · May 16, 2006

The governement released the 9/11 pentagon video today. If you watch it real close there no way that the object that hit the pentagon was a commercial jet! It moved too fast, flew too low, and at an angle that was too low to be able to manuver an airplane that large into such a position at such a high speed before hitting other objects leading up to the pentagon...and Im telling you that as a pilot. Then, the explosion happened too fast for a 747 full of fuel, just watch how the explosion looked at the world trade center...its a totally different profile.
Last but most certainly not least, watch the video and try to pause it right when the reporter says the word "ominous" at exactly 12 seconds into the video and look at the right side of your screen, youll see for yourself that what hit the pentagon was a missle...and Im sure of that!

Heres the video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi/nb_rm_fs.stm?checkedBandwidth=nb&nbram=1&subtitles=hide&checkedMedia=ram&news=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&nol_storyid=4988038

Tempest · May 16, 2006

I was waiting on this topic. I watched the vid. Still don't believe it's a missile. How fast was the plane traveling again?

LATS · May 17, 2006

LOOK, THE PLANE WAS GOING 350 MPH.. and lets please ask our selves this.. why would they release the video if it showed a missle?? come on people.. they would nt.. if they thought , in any way, it would ruin a "cover up" they just would not release the tape.. but, they did.. are they trrying to get caught??

and i have news for.. the cell phone calls have people calling loved ones and stating "we are going to hit the pentagon" who is going to lie to their loved one at this point..? if not.. what happened to the people on the flight?.. did the cia take them out and kill them?..

come people.. lets use some commonsense.. i do love what the penagon director said today " we released the film to show what happened that day.. but, you still have people believing that the moon landing took place in a sound stage in california.. we will still have people believeing it was a missle"..

rAJJIN · May 17, 2006

Man I dont know.... Im no expert But I was at home that morning
and seen live with my own eyes that second plane hit....
How fast was it going? Because it sure looked to me it was MUCH slower then that clip there I just seen.

they said though it was from a still camera snapping every 1/2 second.

Id like to see it on a real video live, cant realy tell from that little video imo
But Im sure as Lats said they have had Experts all Over that In every slow motion-Angle-Pause- Zoom you could imagine.

IRONMAN83 · May 17, 2006

I dont know what the 'official' speed of the object was quoted but it can certainly be estimated with a moderate degree of accuracy.
The reported said that the recording speed of the security camera is 1 frame every .5 seconds. Its apparent that there is a clear shot of the front of the object in one frame and in the next frame is a very small faction of a second after impact..so lets just say its impact. The distance from where the object is in the first frame to the pentagon is the only diffcult thing to estimate..Id say its about 200 feet, does everybody agree with that? Any other estimates are welcome. So if the object travelled 200 feet and the time between frames is .5 seconds then the object was moving at a velocity of 200/.5= 400ft/sec which is equal to 272 mph.
Granted now that Ive done the calculations thats not an impossible speed to manuever a plane into that position but its still extremely and I mean EXTREMEMLY difficult to get a plane that large, which responds very slowly to pilot input, to fly parallel to the ground and so low to the ground.
Ive never flown a comercial jet liner but I have flown a private jet and even that it a realatively sluggish airplane. Id say that in order to get the plane in that attitude (pilot jargon for relative position in space) you would need at the very least 1.5 miles or 20 seconds of flat unobstructed terrain to get into position and if you look at the terrain around the pentagon, youll see that it is anything but unobstructed.

Lastly, is what you see then you pause the video at 12 sec... the front of a narrow object of which you see about, and this is just a guess..12 feet and thats about 3 maybe more feet in diameter. What 747 has those properties at its nose? None that Ive even heard of.
Im usually the first to dismiss conspiracy theories as bullshit, but this one is very difficult to deny although there is credible evidence against it as well.

Why would they release the video....becouse nobody really gives a shit anyway. Any 'wacko conspiracy theorists' would be discounted as such and nobody can really do anything even if it was PROVEN to be a missle by a credible investigative agency. President Bush himself could go in the middle of the White House lawn, take a shit, and wipe his ass with the constitution and things would go on as always...nobody gives a shit anymore and the government has become too powerful to keep under control..they dont CARE if they get caught becouse nothing could be done anyway.
It was PROVEN that Bush knew of an impending terrorist attack right before 9/11 and did nothing about it but play golf at his ranch and whats been done about that...nothing.

Conan21 · May 17, 2006

I watched this on CNN's website.

No way this an airplane. Do not insult our intelligence. why hide the tapes from the get go. Why not show the tapes from the hotels? or from the other cameras?

rrtrpsgt · May 17, 2006

Video

Lets not forget about all of the other cameras that were all over the pentigon, and this is the best that they can give us....I say B...s.. at it's best. I have actual footage from all of the major news networks that covered the pentagon that morning, and I can tell you, and many other high ranking millitary officials that there was no plane there. the jet fuel couldn't burn that hot to vaporise that plane either. This is not my own words... read what experts have been saying. And how about Larry Silverstein who rentovated the twin towers, and building seven which was down the street, and some how caught fire, and later that day he had the building pulled (controlled demolition). He was caught on PBS two years ago stating he had building seven pulled. It takes weeks to set up detinators...not a few hours. INSIDE JOB!! Read, Read, Read.

www.infowars.com

Dave_19 · May 17, 2006

Although it would be exciting to beleive its a missle, its not. As already stated they wouldn't release a video of a missle hitting the pentagon. here is a photo of the only frame that shows the plane hitting the pentagon. You cannot say the explosion wasn't big enough, this was probably so far away from the actual camera. Yes the angle is low but its probably the work of a visual illusion, the camera seems very low. What type of missle do you think is actually that huge long and white. Just imagine if their was a car or truck that far away from the camera how small it would look.

LATS · May 17, 2006

EXACTLY DAVE.. that is one frickin' big missle

.. look guys.. once again.. they are not going to release a video that would condemn them.. one can use the excuse that "no one cares anymore".. please.. the democrats would love this to bring criminal charges against bush and many others.. and the families also.. nad that is not counting the outrage from america in general.. it would be the biggest crime in american history.. and you think that they would release it because no one cares anymore???? that is silly.. and as usual.. what happen to the passengers on the flight..?? no one cares to address that "conspiracy".. were they all taken out and shot.. did the cia make up the recorded phone calls to love ones stating that they are heading for the pentagon.. come on guys.. this is plain silly..

babygetoboy · May 17, 2006

All questions answered

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Dave_19 · May 17, 2006

ok..

I just got a clear picture of it. they just aired it on the news, the channel is in HD so its very clear. I paused it on the frame that shows the plane, this one shows twice the length of it. I snapped a photo of it, then a close up, their is no way this is a missle. If any thing its going to have to be a rocket!

Tempest · May 17, 2006

Concerning how difficult it would be to fly that low. Who said he intentionally tried to fly that low? Lats brings up a very good point also, what about the people that died in the flight?

Temp

Tom · May 17, 2006

Tempest said:
Concerning how difficult it would be to fly that low. Who said he intentionally tried to fly that low? Lats brings up a very good point also, what about the people that died in the flight?

Temp

show me a body, a limb, how about a toenail.

LATS · May 17, 2006

tom.. do a search and you will see that bodyparts were identified.. there were people on that flight.. to assume a conspiracy would be to assume that the government took 50 american citizens and "disposed " of them.. no one who believes the conspiracy theories has yet to answer about the phone calls. one was a fox news reporter.. she called her husband and it is recorded (one of many that were recorded) and her last words were "oh my god.. they are going to hit the pentagon".. so then we have to assume that the cia put a gun to her head and said "say we are going to hit the pentagon".. then disposed of her body and 50 others .. not happening people.. as much as some want to believe

Conan21 · May 17, 2006

just throwing this out there.

they do have technology that can replicate voices. After having 10 seconds of your speach they can duplicate it. People have said the phone calls were staged and that the phone calls were very strange. People were addressing their mothers like "Mom, this is Tim Jones"...and people saying "you believe me right". Family members have said they sounded too calm on the phone.

also, Cell phones NEVER work from altitudes from which some of these calls were made.

I am not saying I believe this or that i don't believe this. I'm just throwing that out there. I take it as a grain of salt. I'll see if I can find the info on this.

Lats does make a a good point.

I just think that it seems very obvious that there was involvement with the twin towers. It almost slaps you right in the fast if you do some research on it. And since there is alot of unsolved questions with the pentagon its very easy to think there is more to the story here.

LATS · May 17, 2006

CONAN.. they did not call from cell phones.. most.. not all.. called from inflight phones.. swipe your card and make all the calls ya want.. i used one coming back from cancun.. most first class flights have them.. as for the people being calm.. many were trying to speak in hushed tones so as not to incur any wrath from those that hijacked the plane.. remember . every flight hijacked had one person or more killed to "demonstrate" their intentions.. the hijackers also told the passengers thatthey were going to hold them for ransom.. so most did not believe that anything eminent was going to take place.. until their families started to tell them that planes were crashing ect..when ya look at the stewardess distress calls and them answering the questions of the air flight controllers. there is no way to replicate that digitally.. especially when the conversations were going on for ten to 15 minutes.. and the confusion/panic the stewardess' was feeling.. we also heard the fight on flight 19 and the calls made to family that they were going to fight them. here is what we know.. on 9/11 four flights were hijacked.. three found their target.. one crashed.. calls were made.. admissions and details by passengers were given.. we also see the hijackers board the planes ect.. we also have one terrorist stand trial and he made many defiant admissions.. this stuff ranks up there with all the other conspiracy theories out there.. which by the way,, have never been proven.. and we now have to belive that a conspiracy of this enormous magnatude (which would take dozens if not hundreds of people to pull off and know about) has somehow stayed quite and no one has come forward to make millions upon millions of dollars telling the story.. you can not keep two people from blabbin' a secret let along hundreds..

Conan21 · May 17, 2006

Lats

are those phones something new they have just recently put in planes. I'm not positive but I believe they are so don't quote me on that.

I'm sure we can go back and forthe on this for a long time with no one agreeing. I think you can atleast agree that there is some very mysterious questions that can be brought up about the pentagon. Why not just release the videos from the hotel. That will show the plane flying toward the pentagon. Do that and its case dismissed.

There are LOTS of people talking though about the twin towers. I'm not sure what you are referring to about people staying quiet because there is alot of talking going on about this matter.

bigbadasian · May 17, 2006

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|--[\\\]>-------- didnt they find pieces of the plane scattered everywhere?

Dave_19 · May 17, 2006

Tom said:
show me a body, a limb, how about a toenail.

I don't think their would be much left over considering the circumstances. I mean a 747 flew hundres of miles per hour into a sloid object full of thousands of gallons of fuel? You have to understand also 9/11 was a HUGE crime, that had a HUGE investigation. The government isn't going to be very public about the whole thing although a lot of us have the right to know the truth. But the truth isn't that a missle hit the pentagon, just who do you think launched this missle? and where do you think it was fired from? hopefully not Iraq

I think the same people who think this is a missle, are the same type of guys who think we never landed on the moon.:action:sm Also just take a look of the last photo I posted, you can clearly see its a huge JET!

Tempest · May 17, 2006

Tom said:
show me a body, a limb, how about a toenail.

Well that’s certainly a good point but I think you have to look at it from an even broader perspective: What of American Airline flight 77? If it was a missile, where’s the plane? There is also a roster associated with this flight with crewmembers and passengers. Where are they? If there never was a flight 77 then where are the people that are missing now? I wonder if we had the ability to talk to the survivors of the people that died would they say their family members are missing or died in flight 77 that crashed into the pentagon? I wonder how many people at the airport where flight 77 took off from heard the call for that flight? Airplanes have serial numbers just like cars don’t they?

Questions, questions, questions. Just some food for thought-

Temp