Advanced oral steroid use

[JCain]

I'm not sure if this belongs in the beginner's forum, but I figure this is where most of the steroid posts are.

On another board some guys and I have been talking about an all-oral cycle for advanced users. It's not exactly something that would be planned, but say you couldn't do injectables or whatever. We were entertaining the idea and wondered what kind of retainable gains could be had from a well-planned, high-dose AAS cycle. We designed the cycle around effectiveness, safety, and drug availability. Here's what we came up with as the Ultimate Oral Cycle...

Days 1-25: 4 capsules (120mg) of anavar ED (4 x 30mg)
Days 5-25: 2 capsules (150mg) of anastrol75 ED (2 x 75mg)

The anastrol is a custom mix of 50mg anadrol and 25mg winstrol. Also liver-detox stuff will be taken.

What do some of you more advanced users think about this? We think that it's not going to be as effective as an injectable cycle, but as far as oral-only what do you think? Too harsh on the liver? Compound ratios look okay? Too long? Perhaps run two two-week cycles instead?

I can explain the reasoning behind the chosen compounds and doses, but it should be pretty apparent to most vets.

Please no "oral-only cycle are for beginners" responses. We know this and were just seeing what the most effective oral-only cycle would be just for kicks and grins.

 

[mrsoul]

no offense, but i think saying all oral, and advanced in the same sentence is an oxymoron. with no test in the cycle, you would shut down quickly, proably be depressed, lethargic and miserable. also 120 mg of anavar is too much. the pumps from that high a dose would proably be so painfull that yuo would have trouble completing a few warm up sets.

 

[JCain]

no offense, but i think saying all oral, and advanced in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

It is intended for advanced users, as I would never suggest this combination or dose of drugs to a beginner. I agree that oral cycles are not productive enough at any level, especially advanced, but this cycle is intended for experienced users.

with no test in the cycle, you would shut down quickly, proably be depressed, lethargic and miserable. also 120 mg of anavar is too much. the pumps from that high a dose would proably be so painfull that yuo would have trouble completing a few warm up sets.

I wondered about this, but barring a drop in sexual performance I don't think there would be much depression or lethargy, especially given the length. Provided it would be a problem, running two two-week cycles could be of benefit, as could running a low-dose of T throughout, though this wouldn't be all oral at that point.

I'm not vouching for a super-productive all-oral cycle as it would likely not compare to an injectable cycle of even modest proportions. I'm simply asking what the best combination of orals would be the best for an advanced user just to elicit discussion and to see what could be possible.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[mrsoul]

i hear ya. i just meant that i did not think any advanced user would do an all oral cycle.

 

[oldfella]

It is intended for advanced users, as I would never suggest this combination or dose of drugs to a beginner. I agree that oral cycles are not productive enough at any level, especially advanced, but this cycle is intended for experienced users.



I wondered about this, but barring a drop in sexual performance I don't think there would be much depression or lethargy, especially given the length. Provided it would be a problem, running two two-week cycles could be of benefit, as could running a low-dose of T throughout, though this wouldn't be all oral at that point.

I'm not vouching for a super-productive all-oral cycle as it would likely not compare to an injectable cycle of even modest proportions. I'm simply asking what the best combination of orals would be the best for an advanced user just to elicit discussion and to see what could be possible.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I differ with the highlighted bold statement. Go ahead and walk around with little or no test production and see how depressed you will get.........It will happen. The problem is not the length of the cycle but the fact that it will shut you down hard and will take some weeks for the endocrine system to recover. If anyone is advanced enough as you are putting it they really would not do such a cycle without test. So this is not an advanced cycle. The orals would still be toxic even after only 25-30 days.

 

[mrsoul]

I differ with the highlighted bold statement. Go ahead and walk around with little or no test production and see how depressed you will get.........It will happen. The problem is not the length of the cycle but the fact that it will shut you down hard and will take some weeks for the endocrine system to recover. If anyone is advanced enough as you are putting it they really would not do such a cycle without test. So this is not an advanced cycle. The orals would still be toxic even after only 25-30 days.

my point exactly.