all protien diet?

engbulldog · Sep 27, 2009

really cant find any ifo on it are there any benifts to it other than one losing there mind due to lack of carbs???? will there be any size gains??? any info would help before i try this !!! thanks guys

w8tlifterty · Sep 27, 2009

Why?

Why would you wanna do that bro? You trying to cut down bf? If so, there are much better ways to go about it. Figure out some macro %'s your body likes...if you are gonna go low carb throw in plenty of healthy fats. I'm sure others will chime in...

petedw · Sep 27, 2009

Going just protein would lead to the body using it for fuel. Not what you want. Like was said above, either go Keto with plenty of healthy fats (if you're looking to lean up) or also include some carbs (the method id favour).

Plenty of info on this board about nutrition for cutting/lean gain/bulking. Some very intelligent people on here!

doug1 · Sep 27, 2009

petedw said:
Going just protein would lead to the body using it for fuel. Not what you want. .

exactly!

loganb_football · Sep 27, 2009

petedw said:
Going just protein would lead to the body using it for fuel. Not what you want. Like was said above, either go Keto with plenty of healthy fats (if you're looking to lean up) or also include some carbs (the method id favour).

Plenty of info on this board about nutrition for cutting/lean gain/bulking. Some very intelligent people on here!

You're correct, but if there is an abundance of the protein consistently every 3-6 hrs than there is no real risk of catabolism. However, there is an issue with creating an acidic environment, and not getting your healthy fats in.

Protein has a greater thermal effect in the body which is great, and the body can break down proteins to use as energy. Naturally, if you're just taking in meats you will have some fats, but your body NEEDS EFA's. So if you're planning on doing this you will need to include these. Another subject is the acidic environment which can actually be very harmful to your body. You will need veggies and/or some types of fruits if you predominently eat protein to reach your BMR. I think this may be good for a, "crash diet," but nothing beyond 6-8 weeks. Now there are others who favor keto and carb-cycling, but hell if you want give it a try. No one can tell you how you react to a diet except you, and you'll never figure it out optimally unless you try. But take some of my advice and atleast have some EFA's and veggies too!

engbulldog · Sep 27, 2009

not really looking to "diet " per say but to add lean muscle, with my current diet it seems to have stalled went for 218lbs to 187-190lbs lost 3" off waist but I feel real flat everyone tells me I look huge but I dont feel or see it that way, all my lifts are up 10-30 lbs but it seems I'm missing something!!! and if I had the cash I would hire Phil or Shelby but since this week is my last full week at work and a 3 mth old baby girl money is way to tight to go that route!! does anyone have a meal plan that they would share that would keep body fat kinda low but still let me put on size??? If need be I can share my workout plan and current diet ... if you want to share hit me up @ [email protected] Thanks guys much love in Michigan for the guys and gals of PM

Shelby · Sep 27, 2009

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^^ use this as a guideline to create a diet for yourself. Ignore the MMA references.

w8tlifterty · Sep 27, 2009

Shelby said:
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^^ use this as a guideline to create a diet for yourself. Ignore the MMA references.

I actually just found this article on elitefts about a week ago. Good read... i didnt know you practiced muay tai shelby. Damn, jack of all trades huh...

engbulldog · Sep 27, 2009

Thanks Shelby, gonna try it next week since I will be jobless

therecanonlybe1 · Sep 28, 2009

Shelby said:
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^^ use this as a guideline to create a diet for yourself. Ignore the MMA references.

thanx shelby..i am looking forward to trying this..since i have a very hard time sticking to a "proper" diet..i have always been a kinda of all or nothing..and of course failed...but reading about your mma skills...would love to see some tape of your fights..
thanx again..

gordo14 · Sep 28, 2009

Interesting read.

Shelby said:
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^^ use this as a guideline to create a diet for yourself. Ignore the MMA references.

My only qiuestion is about the body weight. Are we using the lean body weight? Or the overall bodyweight as the reference point?

MR. BMJ · Sep 28, 2009

Lyle McDonald has a diet (PMFS) that relies solely on protein (1.5 to 2.0 grams per pound of bodyweight) and minimal fish oil (EPA/DHA), and many do very off it, with major fat loss and minimal LBM loss. There are refeeds incorporated into it, but I can't remember the specifics. Just to clarify, the only calories are from the protein and small amounts of fish oil guidelines above, then a refeed incorporated in, of which I can't remember the specifics.

This may not be the best approach for everybody, but it does work very well for many.

BMJ

Phidias · Sep 28, 2009

loganb_football said:
You're correct, but if there is an abundance of the protein consistently every 3-6 hrs than there is no real risk of catabolism.

I strongly disagree! Once you're glycogen stores are depleted, you'll be burning muscle tissue for fuel if u work out that said muscle group, no matter what.

Lack of carbs for too much time = catabolism

Obnoxious123 · Sep 28, 2009

MR. BMJ said:
Lyle McDonald has a diet (PMFS) that relies solely on protein (1.5 to 2.0 grams per pound of bodyweight) and minimal fish oil (EPA/DHA), and many do very off it, with major fat loss and minimal LBM loss. There are refeeds incorporated into it, but I can't remember the specifics. Just to clarify, the only calories are from the protein and small amounts of fish oil guidelines above, then a refeed incorporated in, of which I can't remember the specifics.

This may not be the best approach for everybody, but it does work very well for many.

BMJ

that is only done for small amounts of time, while doing a ketogenic diet. it's used if you hit a stick point in your fat loss.

and if you are not a "carb" bodytype, like myself, then a low carb, high protein, moderate fat diet works great.

Moen · Sep 29, 2009

If enough of you ask kindly I'll share the rapid fatloss handbook next

ec · Sep 29, 2009

Moen said:
If enough of you ask kindly I'll share the rapid fatloss handbook next

Moen,will you please share the rapid fatloss with all of us???

DatBtrue · Sep 29, 2009

Phidias said:
I strongly disagree! Once you're glycogen stores are depleted, you'll be burning muscle tissue for fuel if u work out that said muscle group, no matter what.

Lack of carbs for too much time = catabolism

You never want to workout in a glycogen depleted state that is absolutely true....and you never want to excessively deplete those levels in a long-assed workout.

But the post workout environment is different. You can hold off repletion and supercompensation and maintain increased insulin sensitivity for a very long time.

PHIL HERNON · Sep 29, 2009

Yes

DatBtrue said:
You never want to workout in a glycogen depleted state that is absolutely true....and you never want to excessively deplete those levels in a long-assed workout.

But the post workout environment is different. You can hold off repletion and supercompensation and maintain increased insulin sensitivity for a very long time.

Very true........thats why people always question a certain part of my diet suggestions.......they all want to know what the post workout meal is, hahahhahahahah