All things insulin- my take, opinion and experience.

[aHarness]

2023 used insulin, usually 10 ius pre workout only, and 210 mgs deca only, for three months and like to think put on appreciable amount of muscle. It was after competition, and wanted to keep mgs low, Lifts and strength imrpoved,went from 220-240, during this time. Some fat gain, not that much.

the huge negative, Suffered severe low mood and depression, due to the fact nandrolone deconate lowers dopamine and rasied prolactin. Didnt know this . Since then I take some sort of androgen with deca, last year was 200-300 masteron. Currently,its dbol. Equal as important , use something like lowers prolacin and riases dopamine like mucuna pruriens, as it does this one two combo, lowering prolactin and raising dopamine, punch

Didnt mean to go off subject but if deca is done solo, it can cause severe depression , even only three months solo at 210 mgs, took nine months for brain chemistry to feel normal again.

back to the slin.........

Why don’t you just do normal cycles and stop complicating everything

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Why don’t you just do normal cycles and stop complicating everything

because I do what works for me and im not normal. I can not use high androgens, most of the time, due to health issues. Why do you care how I do things.... and what works best for me......

Im giving out information helping people, that can benefit, if they have some of the same health issues. All you do is shit on me for no reason, go through all your posts its like your obsessed with me and how im not doing things traditionally. If ity works for you great, although no reason to nazi and tell me how to do things.

For this reason, I wont be seeing your post. Goodluck shitting on someone else. I hope an alligator bites a chunk out of your ass metaphorically speaking while your trying to shit on them... better yet I hope your thinking improves to relize there more to life than a cookie cutter approach, one that , by your posts, you seem to have been drank that kind of coolaid. Goodluck, bud

 

[bbxtreme]

@bbxtreme recently heard on podcast that after GH is injected ,takes four hours to start effect. Do you know if that's true?

Been sub q GH and slin together, thirty mins pre gym, before drinking carbs, protein bcaas etcs... do you think it's good idea to do this to combine the two?

I think slin is useful but not particularly when losing bodyfat is the most important goal. Sure a carb up day it can help. For me don't seem to lose much size , if any, without lack or slin, while dieting hard. Then again, never been truly peeled

HGH timing is splitting hairs IMO. If you want to be OCD do it an hour before you train IM. This is in addition to AM and PM subq.

Honestly for most doing it AM/PM subq is plenty and should be your baseline IMO.

What really matters is just getting it in daily consistently IMO.

On insulin- it’s my opinion that when cutting it should only be used on high re-feed days.

Can you use it strategically on all workout days during a cut? Sure.

But as you said- “I’ve never truly been peeled”. My suggestion would be to do that before you even start thinking about insulin man. Adding insulin before being peeled is asking for trouble IMO.

I haven’t checked your log to see if you’re still letting @b-boy help you, but I agree with his stance on this subject for you knowing what I do from on here.

Hope this helps man!

 

[b-boy]

HGH timing is splitting hairs IMO. If you want to be OCD do it an hour before you train IM. This is in addition to AM and PM subq.

Honestly for most doing it AM/PM subq is plenty and should be your baseline IMO.

What really matters is just getting it in daily consistently IMO.

On insulin- it’s my opinion that when cutting it should only be used on high re-feed days.

Can you use it strategically on all workout days during a cut? Sure.

But as you said- “I’ve never truly been peeled”. My suggestion would be to do that before you even start thinking about insulin man. Adding insulin before being peeled is asking for trouble IMO.

I haven’t checked your log to see if you’re still letting @b-boy help you, but I agree with his stance on this subject for you knowing what I do from on here.

Hope this helps man!

No he is doing his own thing, you KNOW I would NEVER let someone with his ability to put on fat with EASE and doesn't have the ability to effectively get it off to use insulin.

 

[bbxtreme]

No he is doing his own thing, you KNOW I would NEVER let someone with his ability to put on fat with EASE and doesn't have the ability to effectively get it off to use insulin.

that’s why I was thrown off and wanted to clarify.

But that’s unfortunate- some people don’t know a good thing when they have it and just have to learn the hard way.

 

[Muscle4fun]

Hello @bbxtreme i just finish reading the whole 26 pages and I want to thank you and all the other vets for the knowledge you all share in here.
What’s the GDA that you recommend ?

 

[bbxtreme]

Hello @bbxtreme i just finish reading the whole 26 pages and I want to thank you and all the other vets for the knowledge you all share in here.
What’s the GDA that you recommend ?

Berberine will do the trick. If you have issues with berberine then I suggest Jarrow as they made a good GDA that doesn't use it.

 

[bbxtreme]

Keeping this thread updated as I continue to find good resources- I thought this was a great video Kurt did on insulin and HGH, especially the points on lantus usage and when and where to use it. As well, who is NOT ready for insulin usage.

 

[massd1213]

Impressive post.

 

[bbxtreme]

I’m going to add this here so it’s all in the insulin thread:

There is a really simple way to determine if and how much insulin someone needs to take. I didn’t cover this in my insulin thread, but figured I will here to dumb it down.

On average a 100kg (220lb) person with a healthy fasting glucose level will produce 55 units of insulin daily from their pancreas.

Each unit of insulin will cover about 10g of carbohydrates.

Therefore, a 220lb healthy bodybuilder can eat up to 550g of carbs per day and need no additional insulin as their body will cover it.

So how do I know if I could benefit from insulin or if I should use it?
If you eat more carbohydrates in a day then your pancreas produces you can use insulin to reduce the burden and further utilize the nutrients you’re consuming.

If that 220lb bodybuilder has a high day and takes in 700-800g of carbs on those days then he will need an extra 15-25 iu insulin produced daily to match carbohydrate intake from the pancreas.

So next time someone ask “should I use insulin, need it, or how much” save this damn post because it is the closest exact answer you’re going to get to calculating it based on your body’s needs and stats.

 

[bbxtreme]

Dropping this here regarding “gaining fat” while using insulin:

“Insulin controls the function of Hormone Sensitive Lipase (HSL), which is a multifunctional enzyme that participates in fatty acid metabolism (this is where the whole insulin theory of fat loss got completely taken out of context).

If insulin is misused and there is a degree of insulin insensitivity on skeletal muscle cells, there will be an increased rate of adipogenesis (adipose tissue formation, get fat) as Insulin has important factors on regulating adipocytes and insulin will just dispose of glucose into fat cells instead.”

Insulin and Insulin Receptors in Adipose Tissue Development

Insulin is a major endocrine hormone also involved in the regulation of energy and lipid metabolism via the activation of an intracellular signaling cascade involving the insulin receptor (INSR), insulin receptor substrate (IRS) proteins, phosphoinositol ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Fattyone]

I’m going to add this here so it’s all in the insulin thread:

There is a really simple way to determine if and how much insulin someone needs to take. I didn’t cover this in my insulin thread, but figured I will here to dumb it down.

On average a 100kg (220lb) person with a healthy fasting glucose level will produce 55 units of insulin daily from their pancreas.

Each unit of insulin will cover about 10g of carbohydrates.

Therefore, a 220lb healthy bodybuilder can eat up to 550g of carbs per day and need no additional insulin as their body will cover it.

So how do I know if I could benefit from insulin or if I should use it?
If you eat more carbohydrates in a day then your pancreas produces you can use insulin to reduce the burden and further utilize the nutrients you’re consuming.

If that 220lb bodybuilder has a high day and takes in 700-800g of carbs on those days then he will need an extra 15-25 iu insulin produced daily to match carbohydrate intake from the pancreas.

So next time someone ask “should I use insulin, need it, or how much” save this damn post because it is the closest exact answer you’re going to get to calculating it based on your body’s needs and stats.

When someone is consuming those large (700+g) amounts of carbs and their pancreas CANT keep up.. what happens to those extra carbs it can’t cover naturally? Just “wasted” or ?

Might be a dumb question, just never seen it laid out the way you just did (thank you!).

 

[bbxtreme]

When someone is consuming those large (700+g) amounts of carbs and their pancreas CANT keep up.. what happens to those extra carbs it can’t cover naturally? Just “wasted” or ?

Might be a dumb question, just never seen it laid out the way you just did (thank you!).

The body will more easily convert and store them as fat and BG levels will rise. Thats the most simplistic answer.

 

[Sectør]

Run your HGH for 6-8 weeks and then check your T4 levels. Full thyroid panel. If you’re 4 units or under I personally wouldn’t stress over it.

If you do run it and they’re low start by adding 25-50mcg first thing AM of pharma grade T4. That simple. Retest every 6-8 weeks if you feel off or it’s needed to dial in the T4 (likely won’t need to).

Insulin usage with it I’ve outlined in this thread super simple. Guys just over complicate the hell out of this stuff. It’s about doing the basics consistently IMO.

25-50mcg of t4? Crap I bought 150mcg tablets... I'm assuming this is probably overkill

My free t4 came in at the lower end of the reference range at 1.1ng/dl, and 150mcg is all I have access to. Guess I'll try to split them, but they're extremely small. Would eod dosing work too, or that's even dumber than ordering 150mcg tabs?

 

[bbxtreme]

25-50mcg of t4? Crap I bought 150mcg tablets... I'm assuming this is probably overkill

My free t4 came in at the lower end of the reference range at 1.1ng/dl, and 150mcg is all I have access to. Guess I'll try to split them, but they're extremely small. Would eod dosing work too, or that's even dumber than ordering 150mcg tabs?

Get a pill splicer/cutter on Amazon and cut them in half. I would not do EOD personally.

 

[Sectør]

Get a pill splicer/cutter on Amazon and cut them in half. I would not do EOD personally.

Will do. Thank you man!

 

[Pizza15]

I’m going to add this here so it’s all in the insulin thread:

There is a really simple way to determine if and how much insulin someone needs to take. I didn’t cover this in my insulin thread, but figured I will here to dumb it down.

On average a 100kg (220lb) person with a healthy fasting glucose level will produce 55 units of insulin daily from their pancreas.

Each unit of insulin will cover about 10g of carbohydrates.

Therefore, a 220lb healthy bodybuilder can eat up to 550g of carbs per day and need no additional insulin as their body will cover it.

So how do I know if I could benefit from insulin or if I should use it?
If you eat more carbohydrates in a day then your pancreas produces you can use insulin to reduce the burden and further utilize the nutrients you’re consuming.

If that 220lb bodybuilder has a high day and takes in 700-800g of carbs on those days then he will need an extra 15-25 iu insulin produced daily to match carbohydrate intake from the pancreas.

So next time someone ask “should I use insulin, need it, or how much” save this damn post because it is the closest exact answer you’re going to get to calculating it based on your body’s needs and stats.

So this insulin can come from Lantus or Humalog periwo?

 

[bbxtreme]

So this insulin can come from Lantus or Humalog periwo?

Each has different benefits and properties. Anything around workouts I would suggest using Humalog.

But to ease the excess burden of the pancreas due to carbs consumed over the total day I would use lantus AM prior to meal one. And only on high days where the carb intake warrants it.

 

[kastro]

Starting my insulin run today Going with the basic Meadows protocol.I will pin 15 minutes pre then start sipping my intra(40gr Karbolyn with bcaas). Question is I do my cardio right after training, should I have another shake or just eat my carb protein meal afterwards?I have glucose tabs and gummies just in case

 

[bbxtreme]

Starting my insulin run today Going with the basic Meadows protocol.I will pin 15 minutes pre then start sipping my intra(40gr Karbolyn with bcaas). Question is I do my cardio right after training, should I have another shake or just eat my carb protein meal afterwards?I have glucose tabs and gummies just in case

It doesn’t really matter generally when you do your cardio. In this case it may based on how long your workouts are.

If you set up your pre meal and carbs/insulin right I would do cardio PWO and then go to your car and drink your PWO shake.

But at the end of the day you can do the cardio whenever it’s best for you. Getting it in is what matters most.