Anabolic Threshold

JJBones · Sep 20, 2013

I've tried once a week, twice a week, three times a week ... with long esters I didn't notice any difference.

triathloncoach · Sep 20, 2013

buck1973 said:
I get the bigger spike. but what about the crash until the next pin????
I can imagine e-2 being on that roller coaster too then.
these gains he speaks of ? real gains or bloat, water weight from e-2 skyrocketing??????

A Voice of Reason. Silly video, but if he just said the truth about pharmacokinetics nobody would watch. BtW, I didn't watch.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

How do you call the video silly when you didn't watch? It blows my mind when you have an opinion about something and you don't even take the time to watch the video which is setting the entire argument/discussion up. And what would be your perceived truth about pharmacokinetics that you're proposing?

I think this is rather intriguing if it's a)true and b)you can deal with the possible increased sides. It would give you more reasons to inject Cyp/Enan every 5th day and NPP every 3rd or 4th day instead of EOD.

Bigd50 · Sep 20, 2013

I don't know the science behind it, but I've often wondered why so many people use short acting gear like test, tren, mast, etc. when you have long acting versions of those. I mean if your a few weeks out precontest than maybe, but other than that I would think if nothing else just less pinning would make sense.

tri-terror · Sep 20, 2013

That's lucian right? What happened with him?

bigsparky21 · Sep 20, 2013

This same topic had come up on another board I'm a member of, I cannot take credit for this work but it is good work by one of their finest.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50.

E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500

Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

tri-terror said:
That's lucian right? What happened with him?

Yes, that's him. A very good bro... He has been busy promoting his business which centers around youtube video blogs, training people, and he recently competed twice at the Delaware and the Shawn Ray in MD. His gf Kari is also doing very well in the NPC.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

bigsparky21 said:
This same topic had come up on another board I'm a member of, I cannot take credit for this work but it is good work by one of their finest.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50.

E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500

Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:
View attachment 64954

Fascinating. Please inbox me the link to the thread on the board this was on. I'd love to go over and take a look.
This seriously draws into question much of what I thought to be beneficial of injecting Phenylpropionate and Enanthate esters EOD.

MaineGuy · Sep 20, 2013

If these numbers are true then I may have to try something different

bigsparky21 · Sep 20, 2013

MaineGuy said:
If these numbers are true then I may have to try something different

this guy is pretty well a genius, and he thought the anabolic threshold was a joke untill he did the half life math. he said after checking his math 3 times he was mind boggled at the outcome.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

BigSparky....please ask him how often he'd inject NPP due to its half life. I assume test is e7d though I did wonder if e5d would still achieve the same desired effect as I thought halflife of Enanthate is 4.5 days.

Im wondering if he'd inject NPP every 4th day?

MaineGuy · Sep 20, 2013

Knight9 said:
BigSparky....please ask him how often he'd inject NPP due to its half life. I assume test is e7d though I did wonder if e5d would still achieve the same desired effect as I thought halflife of Enanthate is 4.5 days.

Im wondering if he'd inject NPP every 4th day?

Not taking into account the above discussion on Anabolic Threshold, there is a good article on how people say you should take NPP EOD blah blah, but the article proves that wrong and twice a week is good enough for the NPP ester.

I can't find the site I was on for this, but I will continue looking.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

MaineGuy said:
Not taking into account the above discussion on Anabolic Threshold, there is a good article on how people say you should take NPP EOD blah blah, but the article proves that wrong and twice a week is good enough for the NPP ester.

I can't find the site I was on for this, but I will continue looking.

I'd love to see this. I get OCD about things so it would lead me to wonder E3D or E4D. Due to the logic presented in this thread so far...it seems the larger interval would be best.

MaineGuy · Sep 20, 2013

Knight9 said:
I'd love to see this. I get OCD about things so it would lead me to wonder E3D or E4D. Due to the logic presented in this thread so far...it seems the larger interval would be best.

If you truly get OCD over the small stuff, then it would be every 3.5 days. Every 4 days spread out over say 3 months would give you less total AAS in your body.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

MaineGuy said:
If you truly get OCD over the small stuff, then it would be every 3.5 days. Every 4 days spread out over say 3 months would give you less total AAS in your body.

I'd obviously adjust the dosing between 3 and 4 days. I'm not anal enough to measure half days.

E3d= 400mg
e4d= 500mg

The goal was to run somewhere in the neighborhood of 800-1000 NPP a week after it gets bumped up from 600. I always planned to do MWF but that might change.

original thinking was:
600/wk = MWF (200x3)
800/wk = MWF,Sun (200x4)
900/wk = MWF (300x3)

MaineGuy · Sep 20, 2013

I loved NPP, I was doing 600mg/week, I can't imagine how good it would be at 800 or 900.

Knight9 · Sep 20, 2013

I need to get in touch with this guy/said genius on the other board and see if he will graph NPP so we can see what is optimal. :headbang:

Another thing...injecting test once a week can probably be done up to about 750-800mg...but after that I wonder if it's more prudent to split the shots. If youre using 1200-2000mg weekly you sure as hell aren't doing that in a day..

cmotted · Sep 20, 2013

bigsparky21 said:
This same topic had come up on another board I'm a member of, I cannot take credit for this work but it is good work by one of their finest.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50.

E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500

Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+2 50 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:
View attachment 64954

This is great info. I was running primo at 300mg/ EOD to keep blood levels even and give me 1050mg weekly. Now I'm just gonna run 1000mg every Thursday. I'm curious the half life comparison with that.

Would you humor me and compare 300mg EOD to 1000mg once a week with primo e? I would really love to see that comparison.

bigsparky21 · Sep 20, 2013

Knight9 said:
I need to get in touch with this guy/said genius on the other board and see if he will graph NPP so we can see what is optimal. :headbang:

Another thing...injecting test once a week can probably be done up to about 750-800mg...but after that I wonder if it's more prudent to split the shots. If youre using 1200-2000mg weekly you sure as hell aren't doing that in a day..

Here is the link to the thread on my board.

What do you think about this?

his username is halfwit

bigsparky21 · Sep 20, 2013

Knight9 said:
I need to get in touch with this guy/said genius on the other board and see if he will graph NPP so we can see what is optimal. :headbang:

Another thing...injecting test once a week can probably be done up to about 750-800mg...but after that I wonder if it's more prudent to split the shots. If youre using 1200-2000mg weekly you sure as hell aren't doing that in a day..

someone posted your question on the thread he should chime in some time today. Im very curious to see what he says also!!